Moving down and McDermott (two separate threads, really)

[The Thriller]

If we liked what the Spurs did...

Then we have gotta love McBuckets.

Incredibly smart, great bball player, lights out shooter, good passer, and big time winner.

 

[infection]

If we liked what the Spurs did...

Then we have gotta love McBuckets.

Incredibly smart, great bball player, lights out shooter, good passer, and big time winner.

I actually meant to put in the OP that if we didn't get him the Spurs would somehow pick him up and make him look like an all star in his first year. The guys they usually plug into those shooting roles are typically good shooters, but not necessarily amazing shooters.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I didn't say that at all. I said trade down for someone like Gordon if he's our target.

I'm not sure Gordon gets past 6. If he's your target, just take him at 5. I'm fine with adding assets to make other moves with, but I think you just stay at 5 and draft your highest rated player. If you want another pick, trade for Jeremy Lin. Houston is almost sure to trade him this offseason.

 

[Doublea]

I'm not sure Gordon gets past 6. If he's your target, just take him at 5. I'm fine with adding assets to make other moves with, but I think you just stay at 5 and draft your highest rated player. If you want another pick, trade for Jeremy Lin. Houston is almost sure to trade him this offseason.

I'd take Lin off of their hands for their pick.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Then why don't you come up with an example where "trading down" had been successful?

I think Orlando trading from 1 to 3 to get Penny Hardaway was a good move at the time.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If we liked what the Spurs did...

Then we have gotta love McBuckets.

Incredibly smart, great bball player, lights out shooter, good passer, and big time winner.

The Spurs showed that spacing the floor and moving the ball with crisp passing can make up for average athleticism.

Tony Parker wasn't himself, and the Spurs still won.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Those weren't even jabs, they were like slaps.

Jabs, slaps... Either way truth hurts.


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[The Thriller]

The Spurs showed that spacing the floor and moving the ball with crisp passing can make up for average athleticism.

Tony Parker wasn't himself, and the Spurs still won.

Exactly.

I can't think of another player in this draft that would fill a need better than mcBuckets. We don't have anyone that can hit the long ball. I'd love to add a dynamite shooter onto our roster from this draft.

Somebody as smart as McBuckets would make a halfway decent system look great.

The spurs would turn McBuckets into a player. While McBuckets would make the Spurs look beautiful, just like Mills and Green did. Mills/Green suddenly become as dangerous as Kobe in the spurs system.

We need a smart outside shooter to keep defenses from cheating so much on our bigs down low.

 

[The Midnight]

...... Jimmer was touted as being able to hit the long ball pretty well coming into the draft.

 

[Doublea]

...... Jimmer was touted as being able to hit the long ball pretty well coming into the draft.

Still can.

 

[The Midnight]

Still can.

so why don't we get him?

 

[Doublea]

so why don't we get him?

Who knows we might. Feels a need as a shooter off the bench. Our team needs depth.

 

[The Midnight]

Who knows we might. Feels a need as a shooter off the bench. Our team needs depth.

If we need a long ball shooter just go grab guys like Kyle Korver and Jimmer... no need to waste our #5 pick on somebody who can only really shoot and be a defensive liability.

 

[The Thriller]

If we need a long ball shooter just go grab guys like Kyle Korver and Jimmer... no need to waste our #5 pick on somebody who can only really shoot and be a defensive liability.

Could you please quote the post in this thread that suggested we use our #5 on McBuckets?

Thanks

 

[The Midnight]

Could you please quote the post in this thread that suggested we use our #5 on McBuckets?

Thanks

LOL.. nice back-peddling.

 

[The Thriller]

LOL.. nice back-peddling.

Back peddling?

Isn't even the title of this thread about trading down/obtaining another mid 1st rounder? I don't think anyone, even the OP advocated using the #5 on McBuckets

It might help you to actually read the thread before you mindlessly fling stupid posts.

 

[The Thriller]

I don't necessarily mean these two subjects in conjunction, but I don't feel like making two threads.

If we can't move up and land one of the top 3 guys, how come nobody's talking about moving back? I mean, if we're eyeballing Gordon, don't we think we may be able to get him a little later and be able to pick something up in the process? I'd prefer to move back a spot or two, especially if someone like Exum is there and we're not interested, insuring that Gordon won't fall (not necessarily saying I want Gordon, but hypothetically if that's who we're looking at.)

Now for McDermott. Why no talk on this guy? I get that people like the whole "defensive identity" thing and we want to shy away from what would be considered a stereotypical Utah draft choice, but this guy is pretty good at scoring the ball. There are a lot of guys who light it up in their sophomore or senior years, which I understandably would share concern with. This guy has dominated every year of college, though, and his shooting numbers have been unbelievable without any drop or inconsistency year-to-year. I like this guy more than most people would. I think he could be a good settling piece for being a quasi go-to so long as you can have 2-3 other decent scorers (if perhaps Kanter or Burke could fit into those roles). Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this. Perhaps we could change the rules of the game to be like baseball with the DH, football with offensive and defensive teams or, my preference, like hockey where you can sub during live action, and just pick up both Gordon and McDermott.

Here ya go Hotnick. Read it. Might help ya out buddy.

 

[The Thriller]

so why don't we get him?

Because being since we're in Utah we don't want to run the risk of creating a firestorm. See, utah has 2 major universities. 1 of those universities is extremely loyal to the Jimmer. The pressure to play and maybe even start Jimmer at the detriment of the team would be enormous. Not to mention the media circus. I get the feeling that the Jazz don't want to deal with that.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing the Jimmer on our roster.

And LOL @ those who thought Jimmer was given a fair chance. Dude was drafted by the Kings. That'll take years for him to recover. I hope he goes to the Spurs for rehab.

 

[Stifle Tower]

What's a couple of spots usually worth in a typical draft? The risk seems pretty big actually if you really like a player unless you just draft for the next team in line or something and make them add something in for the swap.

Agree.
IMO, if the Jazz truly are NOT interested in Smart, their board has a clear 3+3 separation. At the top - and likely unobtainable - are Wiggins, Parker and Embiid. Then you have Exum, Vonleh and Gordon. Those players have starter/all-star potential. Next tier down would be Smart, Saric and Randle: likely starters, but with better options in the top-6 picks. Stauskas could potentially be added to that group, but McDermott definitely not. McBuckets doesn't have a position and can't guard the water bottles. Yes, he's an unbelievable shooter. Perfect for a 6th man.

The Jazz have/will have fantastic depth. Teams need 8-9 regular rotation players; Jazz have the Core4 + Burke + probably Gobert + the #5 pick. That leaves just two more to add via the other picks, Tomic, Neto or a free agent. I'm not including Evans because I see him as a deep bench player. That's already 9, which means depth can be sacrificed if the Jazz can upgrade at any starting position.

So what the Jazz NEED are all-stars. Jazz can get that type of player in the top-6. Only trade would be down one spot if the Celts really, really want Vonleh (and he doesn't slip into the top-4). In that case, the trade would be pretty clear: Jazz get the #6 and #17 for the #5, #23 and #35. Utah can likely buy picks in the 2nd round if they want to "draft and stash" some players.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Because being since we're in Utah we don't want to run the risk of creating a firestorm. See, utah has 2 major universities. 1 of those universities is extremely loyal to the Jimmer. The pressure to play and maybe even start Jimmer at the detriment of the team would be enormous. Not to mention the media circus. I get the feeling that the Jazz don't want to deal with that.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing the Jimmer on our roster.

And LOL @ those who thought Jimmer was given a fair chance. Dude was drafted by the Kings. That'll take years for him to recover. I hope he goes to the Spurs for rehab.

I'd be perfectly fine with then getting Jimmer. Think he'd be a great role player off the bench. I'm not too worried about the media or fans. I think that Quin Snyder can handle the pressure from both. It would be nice to have at least one guy who is deadly from behind the arc.

And I personally hope the Spurs shooting coach works with him in Utah. That would be fun.