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NBA Tweaking the Lottery - how will it impact the Jazz?

Noomskull said:
I love Burks as a starter and have high hope for Exum. Hopefully the tank is dead and we can watch some entertaining ball.

As for the new lottery format... Anything that keeps the Cavs from winning another 1st overall pick is fine with me.
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This new format would give them an even better chance if they landed in the lotto.
 
What needs to happen as well is the #1 winner shouldn't win top 3 for 4 years after.
 
The wheel system is better. AND, the biggest argument against this system was: "it's not fair because Miami could get a #1 pick, blah, blah, blah."

Well Cleveland just received THREE #1's the last four years AND LeBron James. That wouldn't happen in a wheel system.

From the "wheel" article:

"that every team would be guaranteed one top-six pick every five seasons, and at least one top-12 pick in every four-year span"

Also, LeBron going back to Cleveland...doesn't that show that the CBA worked? It has broken up the superteam and kept others from forming.

Back to the article:

"The Wheel proposal is more complex, and it has gained significant support from some powerful people around the league. It took a backseat this week as the competition committee focused more on the league’s favored proposal."

The wheel will be the "fix" IMO. This is just something to talk about to help us realize the wheel is better.
 
I'm sorry, I hate this. It really hinders the chances of a God awful team who is trying to rebuild the right way, without taking on shorter term vet contracts just to win an extra few games for no reason, from being able to get the #1 or 2 pick. Teams should be able to construct their team for the long haul intelligently and how they see best fit. This twists their arm some from doing so.

The whole tanking thing is way overblown imo. Really what's happening is teams like the Sixers are trying to build their team wisely now, no longer overpaying for the Charlie Villaneauva's of the world. They know bad contracts weigh them down and instead are trying to gut, get strong lotto picks, develop those guys from within, take on salary dumps to get more picks, and add in solid vets on the cheap for shorter term deals to help fill some gaps and lead as the team develops the first few years. Could you call the Sixers process tanking? Sure. But not to the extent that this board and the league makes it sound and in no way does it even guarantee that they even get the #1 or 2 or in a very rare lottery, #3 pick, anyway.

As soon as some fringe playoff team (the Knicks) get the #1 pick in a top-heavy draft, they'll realize it imo. The strong get stronger and the really weak have that much tougher of a chance from truly helping themselves.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I'm sorry, I hate this. It really hinders the chances of a God awful team who is trying to rebuild the right way, without taking on shorter term vet contracts just to win an extra few games for no reason, from being able to get the #1 or 2 pick. Teams should be able to construct their team for the long haul intelligently and how they see best fit. This twists their arm some from doing so.

The whole tanking thing is way overblown imo. Really what's happening is teams like the Sixers are trying to build their team wisely now, no longer overpaying for the Charlie Villaneauva's of the world. They know bad contracts weigh them down and instead are trying to gut, get strong lotto picks, develop those guys from within, take on salary dumps to get more picks, and add in solid vets on the cheap for shorter term deals to help fill some gaps and lead as the team develops the first few years. Could you call the Sixers process tanking? Sure. But not to the extent that this board and the league makes it sound and in no way does it even guarantee that they even get the #1 or 2 or in a very rare lottery, #3 pick, anyway.

As soon as some fringe playoff team (the Knicks) get the #1 pick in a top-heavy draft, they'll realize it imo. The strong get stronger and the really weak have that much tougher of a chance from truly helping themselves.
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Fringe playoff teams still have an incredibly small chance of getting the #1 pick.

I like the idea. It helps put a better product on the floor. No one wants to watch their team play Philly, it's just sad, pathetic, and boring.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Fringe playoff teams still have an incredibly small chance of getting the #1 pick.

I like the idea. It helps put a better product on the floor. No one wants to watch their team play Philly, it's just sad, pathetic, and boring.
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The 14th worst team would have a 2% chance which is small but still, much, much greater of a chance than they had before. Last year, the Knicks has the 12th worst record which would probably give them around a 4% chance. Not bad if you ask me.

I don't buy it at all. Now, fan bases of awful teams can't get behind a tank. Why bother when your chances are just 11% and so forth down the line? Teams could still try to tank but once they get the #6 pick in the draft and get a Ben McLemore and they continue sucking, their fan base will become restless and see that tanking wasn't the answer. Instead, they'll get behind going after free agents. So the answer instead will be to sign (and overpay) for all the tier 3 and 4 free agents that didn't go to NY, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston or whichever other big market is the hot flavor of the year. Maybe Boston perhaps. These lesser cities will unfortunately be giving out Charlie Villaneauva-like contracts more often once again and be stuck in mediocrity (at best) for what feels like and could become perpetuity.

Sometimes bad teams truly just suck. And oftentimes, tanking never solved anything anyway. This won't either imo. It will make matters worse.
 
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It doesn't matter if they change the rules. As long as Cleveland has that dude in the bow tie, they will pick first.
 
Who cares what pick you get if you have good training staff you will turn them all into all stars just like Boss Man Karl Malone. That is only difference in NBA. Who trains like real man vs who goes to P3 for foto sessions.
 
I like this.

The wheel is freaking horrible. Would tilt the advantage to big markets even more and should not even be a consideration IMO.


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I wonder, with Utah being Utah, if there was a projected #1 pick who would actually stay in school if Utah had the #1 pick (and let's say the following year, LA had the top pick)?

Since the order would be predetermined, college players could control when to come out based on who is in the lottery.
 
green said:
The wheel system is better. AND, the biggest argument against this system was: "it's not fair because Miami could get a #1 pick, blah, blah, blah."

Well Cleveland just received THREE #1's the last four years AND LeBron James. That wouldn't happen in a wheel system.

From the "wheel" article:

"that every team would be guaranteed one top-six pick every five seasons, and at least one top-12 pick in every four-year span"

Also, LeBron going back to Cleveland...doesn't that show that the CBA worked? It has broken up the superteam and kept others from forming.

Back to the article:

"The Wheel proposal is more complex, and it has gained significant support from some powerful people around the league. It took a backseat this week as the competition committee focused more on the league’s favored proposal."

The wheel will be the "fix" IMO. This is just something to talk about to help us realize the wheel is better.
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Ugh. "The Wheel" is literally the worst idea I have ever heard of. The three biggest problems are:

1- Not all drafts are the same. Some have lots of talent, and some have very little. Using the Wheel, your favorite team will get the number 1 pick once or twice IN YOUR LIFETIME. What if one of those drafts are terrible and you get Anthony Bennett?

2-The NBA is set up so that large market teams have a bit of an edge in free agency. There is very little the NBA can do to curb this competitive advantage. They try by forcing top-tier free agents to take less money if they change teams. But at the end of they day, UFA's can change teams if they want. Boston, LA, NY, Chicago, etc will always have an edge there. The lottery helps offset this by rewarding bad teams who are often in small markets.

3-The Wheel gives too much power to players considering entering the NBA draft. If I'm an elite star and I know that LA or NY have the top pick one year from now, what is stopping me from playing an additional year in college or in Europe to play for the team I REALLY want to join?
 
Tony said:
What needs to happen as well is the #1 winner shouldn't win top 3 for 4 years after.
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That would really suck if you won the top pick in a terrible draft. Charlotte's a bad example because they never won the #1, but they never had the look of picking in a good draft.
 
My draft lottery solution:

Expand the lottery to include every team that doesn't get home court advantage in the playoffs. Thus, only the top 4 teams in each conference will not be in the lottery. Run the odds so that the worst team gets roughly 10% of the ping pong balls, and the "best" lottery team gets about 1%. Space them evenly. Then, run the lottery for draft position for EVERY pick in the lottery, 1-22 (8 teams left based on record).

-This idea seriously ends tanking, but still gives a minor edge to teams that don't have talented players. It also help combat the idea that being "average" is worse than being terrible.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I'm sorry, I hate this. It really hinders the chances of a God awful team who is trying to rebuild the right way, without taking on shorter term vet contracts just to win an extra few games for no reason, from being able to get the #1 or 2 pick. Teams should be able to construct their team for the long haul intelligently and how they see best fit. This twists their arm some from doing so.

The whole tanking thing is way overblown imo. Really what's happening is teams like the Sixers are trying to build their team wisely now, no longer overpaying for the Charlie Villaneauva's of the world. They know bad contracts weigh them down and instead are trying to gut, get strong lotto picks, develop those guys from within, take on salary dumps to get more picks, and add in solid vets on the cheap for shorter term deals to help fill some gaps and lead as the team develops the first few years. Could you call the Sixers process tanking? Sure. But not to the extent that this board and the league makes it sound and in no way does it even guarantee that they even get the #1 or 2 or in a very rare lottery, #3 pick, anyway.

As soon as some fringe playoff team (the Knicks) get the #1 pick in a top-heavy draft, they'll realize it imo. The strong get stronger and the really weak have that much tougher of a chance from truly helping themselves.
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This.

I don't see why anyone cares if teams rebuild. It not only serves the league well by allowing them to rebuild the right way as you say, but it also straightens the lower rung playoff teams and makes them more competitive against the elite. That's a healthy thing for competition and parity.
 
green said:
The wheel system is better. AND, the biggest argument against this system was: "it's not fair because Miami could get a #1 pick, blah, blah, blah."

Well Cleveland just received THREE #1's the last four years AND LeBron James. That wouldn't happen in a wheel system.

From the "wheel" article:

"that every team would be guaranteed one top-six pick every five seasons, and at least one top-12 pick in every four-year span"

Also, LeBron going back to Cleveland...doesn't that show that the CBA worked? It has broken up the superteam and kept others from forming.

Back to the article:

"The Wheel proposal is more complex, and it has gained significant support from some powerful people around the league. It took a backseat this week as the competition committee focused more on the league’s favored proposal."

The wheel will be the "fix" IMO. This is just something to talk about to help us realize the wheel is better.
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Stop.

I would rather a crappy lotto team get a bunch of #1 picks in a row than tue nba champions get a #1 pick
 
UGLI baby said:
I like this.

The wheel is freaking horrible. Would tilt the advantage to big markets even more and should not even be a consideration IMO.


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High five!
 
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