Neto is pretty neato.

[underKANTER]

In 3-4 years we will see that Neto was a big steal in this draft. Lindsey is the man!

 

[The Midnight]

Bring him in as our number 2. This year is all about getting the youth some chemistry, and trial and error.
If Neto is part of our future why wouldn't he be included in next year?

Burke/Neto/Tinsley I'll pay to see it.

Agreed.

And if we're worried Neto will outplay Burke, simply say to him, "We have a lot more invested in Burke, but you'll be the first guy off the bench, our solid backup, you'll get a lot of playing time, don't worry about it".

 

[Sexual Favors]

Really good point. But there is one problem, he has 3 years left on a contract on which I can't find any buyout amount. I really tried to dig it up. But if it's really high and forcing him to contribute from his own pocket, it's going to be hard to get it done this summer and even less likely the next.

Thanks. Per your question:
We still have money to spend this season. He is a second round pick and not subject to the same scales as 1st rounders; so couldn't we offset what his out of pocket costs (if any) would be with a front loaded contract? I need to brush up on what the contract rules are for pro international players drafted in the 2nd round, so someone feel free to correct me.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Agreed.

And if we're worried Neto will outplay Burke, simply say to him, "We have a lot more invested in Burke, but you'll be the first guy off the bench, our solid backup, you'll get a lot of playing time, don't worry about it".

That would be stupid. Light the fire and play the better one.

 

[mellow]

What's the WORST scenario?

Jazz find out that Trey is fragile and can't handle the competition. Trey needed to be brought along slowly, but with Neto slightly ahead of him Trey doesn't get a full shot and is lost to the Euroleague or D-League in 2017.

 

[Purch]

^Exactly, I've never supported the notion that your draft pick should dictate your minutes. If someone's playing better, and competing harder than you, then why should you get the spot.

Don't care if you're an undrafted guy like Wesley Matthews, or a guy taken top 5 in the draft, once the season starts everything should be up for grabs

 

[Sexual Favors]

^Exactly, I've never supported the notion that your draft pick should dictate your minutes. If someone's playing better, and competing harder than you, then why should you get the spot.

Don't care if you're an undrafted guy like Wesley Matthews, or a guy taken top 5 in the draft, once the season starts everything should be up for grabs

Yup otherwise you get situations like Marvin (drafted 2nd) playing over Hayward (drafted 9th)

 

[The Midnight]

That would be stupid. Light the fire and play the better one.

Neto is ahead of the curve at the moment having played with "grown men" in a tough league 2nd only to the NBA.

I do think Burke needs to be brought along a bit more slowly.. he hasn't had the same experience as Neto, he's still pretty young... we gave Kanter/Favors plenty of time to develop, why do we expect the world from Burke in just the first few SL games???

It's a delicate situation.. we need to tread carefully

 

[colton]

We don't have a backup PG and we've already gone "All In" on the tank by having Biedrins and Jefferson as key subs. Have them play 2 quarters each, with the best man eventually getting more playing time (I think that will be Burke, but you never know). We're not locked into a certain salary with a 2nd rounder, right? IINM, Jazz gave CJ the equivalent of a 1st because they had promised him (and then traded the pick to move up). Give Neto the normal salary for his draft position, throw in a $1M bonus on top of that + his salary + the $500K we can contribute to his buyout. If I were Lindsey, I'd sign him to a guaranteed 3 yr deal. I think we've seen enough already to know he can be a very good backup.

Unfortunately, I do not believe CBA would allow for this 1 million dollar bonus. This is not the NFL.

He's a second round pick, so there's no preset salary. So the Jazz could just increase his overall contract by $1 million if they want to. (Or at least so it was in the old CBA)

 

[Sexual Favors]

Neto is ahead of the curve at the moment having played with "grown men" in a tough league 2nd only to the NBA.

I do think Burke needs to be brought along a bit more slowly.. he hasn't had the same experience as Neto, he's still pretty young... we gave Kanter/Favors plenty of time to develop, why do we expect the world from Burke in just the first few SL games???

It's a delicate situation.. we need to tread carefully

Most big men take longer to develop, so your comparison isn't accurate. I, however, think Burke will be fine. But, if Neto is better, why should Burke get special treatment? Neto and Burke are 6 months apart. I'm tired of the organization playing the inferior player because they feel they owe them something. Not saying Burke is inferior (1 SL game can't tell us this), but if he is, I would hope Neto wouldn't be sidelined because of draft politics.

 

[colton]

Badly stated on my part. I'm just saying if the customary salary for a player picked in the 40's is $700K, then offer him a 3-yr deal for $1M more than that (so $3.1M). Not sure how this compares to what he was making, Maybe have to go higher than that. Did the new CBA place restrictions on contracts for 2nd round picks?

Yeah, what he said.

 

[colton]

It sounds as if Neto's not coming over unless he's guaranteed rotation minutes. Is he ready to play 12+ minutes in the NBA every night? If he is, he'll hit free agency well before his prime, and most likely before the Jazz are ready to contend. The ACB is a good league, where he'll get minutes against solid competition while he develops physically and as a player. Having Burke learn from a vet PG who understands what it takes to succeed both on and off the court could be a better move than bringing Neto over now.

I disagree. It sounds to me like he's not interested in coming over if he's not going to play. But I didn't see him asking anyone for any playing time guarantees.

 

[colton]

It has sounded obvious from both Rigby and Lindsey today that if Neto keeps playing well this summer league there's a high chance we bring him over

What did they say? I didn't see the interviews.

 

[The Midnight]

Most big men take longer to develop, so your comparison isn't accurate. I, however, think Burke will be fine. But, if Neto is better, why should Burke get special treatment? Neto and Burke are 6 months apart. I'm tired of the organization playing the inferior player because they feel they owe them something. Not saying Burke is inferior (1 SL game can't tell us this), but if he is, I would hope Neto wouldn't be sidelined because of draft politics.

Well you've also got to think long term here... I don't think it does anyone any good having the National Media on us like a rash about us playing the 47th pick ahead of the 9th pick.

Burke is already attracting a lot of attention. He sat out 1 game and ESPN wrote a whole story on him:

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/TreyBurke-130710/nba-trey-burke-best-seat-house

ORLANDO, Fla. -- It's safe to say point guard Trey Burke had the most productive day of his fledgeling NBA career Wednesday at the Orlando Pro Summer League.

Burke's assists total was hardly impressive.

He had zero.

The Utah Jazz's lottery pick was also held scoreless.

Actually, the former University of Michigan star and consensus national player of the year last season didn't have an impact at all in Utah's 30-point win against Brooklyn.

Instead, Wednesday afforded Burke something far more valuable: perspective from a much different vantage point than he's been accustomed to as a promising pro prospect.

After struggling through his first two summer league games, Burke was held out Wednesday to rest and recover physically, regroup psychologically and reexamine -- from the sideline -- the intricate details involved in his transition to an NBA-level point guard.

"It's been a long time since I haven't played in a game," Burke said Wednesday. "At Michigan, I didn't miss any games. It wasn't, like, hard (to sit out) because I knew I wasn't being punished. I knew it wasn't a punishment. I knew they wanted me to learn from the bench. I was willing to sit down and learn from the coaches' seats."

After two seasons in college, which included leading Michigan to the NCAA championship game last season, Burke knows he's in line for plenty of lessons. The tutelage will continue throughout this week when he returns to the lineup for Utah's remaining games in the league filled with rookies, young prospects and free-agent roster hopefuls.

That learning process will extend to the coming weeks as Burke, the most decorated rookie in the 10-team Orlando field, moves to Utah to follow a line of productive Jazz point guards -- from Hall of Famer John Stockton to Mark Jackson, Mo Williams, Devin Harris and Deron Williams.

Jason Kidd is making his own transition from a 19-year player career as one of the best point guards in NBA history to his first foray as a head coach with the Nets in Orlando this week. But Kidd reached back Wednesday to recall the process he endured coming into the league in 1994 amid lofty expectations after two seasons in college.

Because Burke sat out Wednesday against the Nets, Kidd didn't have a chance coach against him. But that didn't stop him from delivering some valuable advice after the game.

"Watch a lot of tape and listen to the veteran guys, to the coaching staff," Kidd said of Burke. "Find someone who understands, who had some success and pick their brains, even if it's someone on an opposing team or someone you looked up to. The more you can get the information, the sooner, the better chances you have of being successful."

The expectations awaiting Burke in Salt Lake City could be overwhelming all on their own. But even taking these initial steps into the league through Orlando this week have provided a few daunting challenges for Burke, selected ninth overall last month by Minnesota and traded to Utah.

Burke averaged 18.6 points and 6.7 assists last season at Michigan. He often used his speed and quickness to beat defenders in the open court, along with craftiness around the basket to score in the lane against bigger defenders.

That same level of effectiveness hasn't quite kicked in yet in Orlando, where Burke is averaging 9.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.5 assists but is shooting 22 percent from the field. He has as many total fouls as assists through two games and has had difficulty adjusting to the NBA pace.

Burke missed 11 of his 12 shots in Sunday's opener against Miami. He then had four turnovers and five fouls in Tuesday's loss to Houston. Burke was hounded most of that game by Patrick Beverley, a defensive stalwart who was a key member of the Rockets' backcourt rotation with James Harden and Jeremy Lin during the playoffs last season.

Jazz assistant coach Sidney Lowe said Wednesday he's talked with Burke about maintaining his confidence and understanding that his status as a high-profile lottery pick would likely bring out the best in opposing players.

"I told him, 'There's a target on you, you're a first-round draft pick, there's expectations there but there's also people that are going to come after you because of those reasons,'" Lowe said. "I told him the most important thing is to remain who he is, play hard and not get too caught up. It's a funny game. You're going to have highs and lows, but sometimes your highs aren't as high as you think they are and your lows aren't as low as you think. You have to be able to be resilient, bounce back, go to the next game."

Sitting out Wednesday allowed that message to resonate.

"Absolutely," Burke said. "Every time I step on the court, there's a target on my back. I think guys are always going to try to make a name against me just because I had a name coming out of college. But I haven't (accomplished) nothing on this level yet. So I'm just trying to continue to learn and make a name for myself on this level as well."

Dressed in his game uniform and seated between the coaching staff and the rest of his teammates Wednesday, Burke seemed antsy at times and later admitted it was difficult to be that close to the action and not participate.

But he was also engaged each time a coach leaned over to whisper instructions and point out lessons on the court.

Lowe said Burke needs to push the ball, speed up the tempo on the court and play much faster than he did at Michigan in order to have an impact in the NBA. Secondly, Lowe said it was beneficial for Burke to learn tendencies of players and break down some cerebral aspects of the game.

"I wouldn't say it's overwhelming, because I feel like I'm picking it up pretty good," Burke said. "I'm still trying to get adjusted, get comfortable with the whole offense, the whole defense, the terminology as well. It's different from college, now with the Jazz. I think the coaches are doing a good job of learning throughout mistakes and teaching."

Burke is far from alone among last month's lottery picks who are making a rough summer league transition.

Victor Oladipo, the No. 2 overall pick, has been frustrated at times while converting to point guard for the Magic after having never played the position at any level of his career. Philadelphia 76ers point guard Michael Carter-Williams, the 11th pick, had nine turnovers in his debut. He's shooting 25.4 percent, but has shown promise by averaging 15.3 points, 6.7 assists and 2.3 steals through three games.

Summer struggles, specifically in Orlando, seem to be part of the rights of passage for highly-drafted guards entering the league in recent years. In 2008, Derrick Rose was sluggish and tentative in his summer league debut. He shot an air ball on his first attempt, went on to miss a total of nine field goals and free throws and had five turnovers.

A year later, Jrue Holiday missed eight of 11 shots and debuted with just nine points and two assists in Orlando. And in 2010, Paul George and James Harden ranked among the summer league's leaders in turnovers.

Rose, Holiday, George and Harden all have something in common in addition to their initial summer league doldrums: they ultimately developed into NBA All-Stars.

So there just might be a blueprint for Burke to follow.

Even some of the best in the game once had to emerge from a humbling, summer NBA initiation in Orlando.

"It was good for me to learn from a different perspective," Burke said. "I didn't complain. It's a process."

That process literally made Burke a student of the game.

"I think it was huge for him to sit back this game," Lowe said. "Even if (we) didn't feel he needed to rest, I still think it was the best thing for Trey to be able to watch it."

It takes great vision to be an effective NBA point guard.

Sometimes, it also requires an even better view.

My take is we focus on developing Burke and take him as far as he can go before pit Burke VS Neto from the outset.

 

[helifool]

What did they say? I didn't see the interviews.

Lindsey on Neto: "I understand that he played really well." He said they'll be patient and decide what's best later about bringing him back.

 

[Flc]

I'm just waiting for McCollum to blow up in Vegas and to see the sweet, sweet tears that will happen on this forum. It's going to be hilarious.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Well you've also got to think long term here... I don't think it does anyone any good having the National Media on us like a rash about us playing the 47th pick ahead of the 9th pick.

Burke is already attracting a lot of attention. He sat out 1 game and ESPN wrote a whole story on him:

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/TreyBurke-130710/nba-trey-burke-best-seat-house



My take is we focus on developing Burke and take him as far as he can go before pit Burke VS Neto from the outset.

My take is we play whoever is most deserving. It sounds like Burke was able to learn from the bench, isn't that bringing him along slowly? (Jokes)

I am not down on Burke, but I am high on Neto and don't want him Tomic'd. Burke can't play 48 minutes a game, so why not bring Neto over? If Neto earns the starting spot that means he is really special, then Burke can focus on bringing his NBA game along slowly with 20 or so minutes a night.

 

[Former Member]

I'm just waiting for McCollum to blow up in Vegas and to see the sweet, sweet tears that will happen on this forum. It's going to be hilarious.

Yeah. I think it's a blast when my team misses out on draft prospects as well.

 

[The Midnight]

My take is we play whoever is most deserving. It sounds like Burke was able to learn from the bench, isn't that bringing him along slowly? (Jokes)

I am not down on Burke, but I am high on Neto and don't want him Tomic'd. Burke can't play 48 minutes a game, so why not bring Neto over? If Neto earns the starting spot that means he is really special, then Burke can focus on bringing his NBA game along slowly with 20 or so minutes a night.

I just don't like the idea of putting added & unnecessary pressures on Burke of having to deal with National Media's expectations - they're ready to burn anyone just to get a story.

- Hayward didn't have that added pressure.
- Favors didn't have that added pressure.
- Kanter didn't have that added pressure.
- Burks didn't have that added pressure.
- Evans didn't have that added pressure.
- Gobert won't have that added pressure.
- Neto won't have that added pressure.

So why should Burke be put under that sort of pressure?

 

[Former Member]

I just don't like the idea of putting added & unnecessary pressures on Burke of having to deal with National Media's expectations - they're ready to burn anyone just to get a story.

- Hayward didn't have that added pressure.
- Favors didn't have that added pressure.
- Kanter didn't have that added pressure.
- Burks didn't have that added pressure.
- Evans didn't have that added pressure.
- Gobert won't have that added pressure.
- Neto won't have that added pressure.

So why should Burke be put under that sort of pressure?

I wouldn't be worried about the national media because they will not care about the Jazz. You're argument might be valid for the local sports media... They have NOTHING to write about other than how players are developing.