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babe said:
@str8line

No, people have a right to say anything, even Hillary. The ad puts stuff from all kinds of contexts across many years. Hillary has an even worse history of abusive behavior, such as bragging about getting a rapist acquited. She has said worse in every respect, I'm sure.

Most people will vote for the person with a vision of government they want.
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Your own language is very abusive towards people you differ with.

I get that it that there are some things you consider important, but for anyone who wants to be credible, understanding and respect will look better to others.
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I seem to remember a story about a founding father who believed in the right's of the accused. I think his name was John Adams and he defended the British soldiers who committed the Boston Massacre.

I think it would be fair of him to "brag" about his service in support of the due process of law. As a supporter of the Constitution who has read past the Second Amendment I am all for providing a vigorous defense for all people accused of crimes.
 
Scat said:
Meaning you are irrational regarding Trump.

*confirmed*
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Yeah. You think you busted me or something? lmfao

I've said about a dozen times I hate the guy so much I'm not reasonable on the subject. I know the Hillary Clinton witch hunt jackasses can't admit the same thing and I'm cool with that. They are dumb jackasses after all, so it's to be expected.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah. You think you busted me or something? lmfao

I've said about a dozen times I hate the guy so much I'm not reasonable on the subject. I know the Hillary Clinton witch hunt jackasses can't admit the same thing and I'm cool with that. They are dumb jackasses after all, so it's to be expected.
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Hey, if you're cool with being known as an irrational person I am good with it as well. Kudos for admitting it. Maybe you can get str8line to admit it as well.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah. You think you busted me or something? lmfao

I've said about a dozen times I hate the guy so much I'm not reasonable on the subject. I know the Hillary Clinton witch hunt jackasses can't admit the same thing and I'm cool with that. They are dumb jackasses after all, so it's to be expected.
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Do you think I'm a jackass if I admit that I can't stand either of them? I don't understand the people who find either Clinton or Trump worthy of a defense, and I think the only reason that most of them do is because the other option makes their skin crawl (not because they really believe in the disaster they are defending). If more people admitted that two terrible choices are no choice at all we might not be sentenced to this idiocy. Sadly, that is a fantasy.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Do you think I'm a jackass if I admit that I can't stand either of them? I don't understand the people who find either Clinton or Trump worthy of a defense, and I think the only reason that most of them do is because the other option makes their skin crawl (not because they really believe in the disaster they are defending). If more people admitted that two terrible choices are no choice at all we might not be sentenced to this idiocy. Sadly, that is a fantasy.
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I think you're a fool who has fallen for the propaganda campaign that has been going on for 20 years against Hillary Clinton. If she was anyone else (and especially anyone else with a penis) we'd just be calling her another politician. But because of the narrative driven by utter desperation by the Republican establishment which targeted her as a threat for the Presidency the second Bill left office, you belive she is the most dishonest person on planet Earth. Congratulations on your gullibility. She's no saint. I don't want a saint to be president of the U.S.. But she certainly isn't out of the ordinary when it comes to top level politicians.

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Gameface said:
I think you're a fool who has fallen for the propaganda campaign that has been going on for 20 years against Hillary Clinton. If she was anyone else (and especially anyone else with a penis) we'd just be calling her another politician. But because of the narrative driven by utter desperation by the Republican establishment which targeted her as a threat for the Presidency the second Bill left office, you belive she is the most dishonest person on planet Earth. Congratulations on your gullibility. She's no saint. I don't want a saint to be president of the U.S.. But she certainly isn't out of the ordinary when it comes to top level politicians.

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Bull****. You're penis argument is idiotic. If she had a penis she/he would be a terrible candidate with a penis.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Bull****. You're penis argument is idiotic. If she had a penis she/he would be a terrible candidate with a penis.
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That's like 5% of the point, but okay. Get offended. I see the anti-woman wording all over the place. You don't. I say again, "If she had a penis you'd be calling them leadership qualities." Instead I see her described as "shrill" a "witch" a "queen bee" and I see her mocked for displaying aggression. No man is criticised in such a way. But women are. I saw it in the Navy when women were in charge. I see it outside the Navy. And I see it now, when a woman runs for president. She's not supposed to act like a man, she's supposed to act demure, but she doesn't, so she's shrill and angry.

Joe, I liked it better when we didn't talk about this election. Honestly. I don't want to be a jerk to you, but I absolutely detest your take on these candidates. I can't help but to disrespect your point of view. I think everything depends on Trump not winning. I don't want demagogues to ever win. Ever. Trump is a demagogue. It's dangerous. It speaks to the lower aspect of our character. It degrades us. It is simply embarrassing

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Best campaign to come out of the Republican think tank for this election is to spread the idea/slogan that we have two really bad candidates when in reality we have one sub-par candidate and one solid, experienced and well supported candidate from the democrats. Clinton is a good all around presidential candidate and ill be happy and proud to vote for her and for our first female president that is long overdue. The email thing is the most overblown issue in a long time. Literally a non issue that our government has been forced to waste lots of tax dollars on because of republicans trying to smear her name and make an issue out of it as well as people like Chaffetz trying to make a name for himself/embarrassing himself depending on which side your on.
 
Gameface said:
That's like 5% of the point, but okay. Get offended. I see the anti-woman wording all over the place. You don't. I say again, "If she had a penis you'd be calling them leadership qualities." Instead I see her described as "shrill" a "witch" a "queen bee" and I see her mocked for displaying aggression. No man is criticised in such a way. But women are. I saw it in the Navy when women were in charge. I see it outside the Navy. And I see it now, when a woman runs for president. She's not supposed to act like a man, she's supposed to act demure, but she doesn't, so she's shrill and angry.

Joe, I liked it better when we didn't talk about this election. Honestly. I don't want to be a jerk to you, but I absolutely detest your take on these candidates. I can't help but to disrespect your point of view. I think everything depends on Trump not winning. I don't want demagogues to ever win. Ever. Trump is a demagogue. It's dangerous. It speaks to the lower aspect of our character. It degrades us. It is simply embarrassing

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Based on the sorts of arguments you make and the way you present them it doesn't surprise me that you don't want to hear from anyone who disagrees.
 
Gameface said:
I don't want demagogues to ever win. Ever. Trump is a demagogue. It's dangerous. It speaks to the lower aspect of our character. It degrades us. It is simply embarrassing

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This is how I see it as well. And seen this way, it would not really matter if I then saw Hillary as a great candidate, or simply the lesser of two bad candidates, and someone I would not vote for otherwise. I could see Hillary either way, and still conclude that I could never vote for a candidate for whom white nationalists say, in so many words, "He's one of us. He's legitimizing us. He's saying it's OK for us to have scapegoats for our anger and dislikes. He's saying it's OK for groups of Americans to hate other groups of Americans".

There is a reason far right hate groups are responding to Trump in that fashion. And it's highly irresponsible for him to send the dog whistles he does. At a time when racial tensions seem to be off the charts, I can't imagine voting for someone who appeals to racial animus and encourages that animus among far right extremists. I fail to understand how that could possibly be helpful at a time when racial tensions are off the charts. Rather, it appears as the worse thing we could do. And these folks are not voting for Hillary. They are voting for Trump.

One candidate just seems like the more dangerous choice. If there are only two who can possibly win, I cannot vote for the one who appears more dangerous and who appeals to our baser instincts.

Always, always, always, always avoid like the plague people who appeal to your baser instincts. If you don't think you, and we, are better then that, then examine yourself.
 
While I am a man who can be rational, i don't believe that is always the right way. Often our reason is not appropriate because we are not fully informed, or don't see the applicable right principles.

But it is always a better exercise to understand other views and be respectful towards others. Well, or maybe not, if they are beyond help.
 
Trump supporters should be treated the way people should have treated Hitler supporters. He is a dangerous demagogue.


dem·a·gogue
ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
noun
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand, fomenter, provocateur
"he was drawn into a circle of campus demagogues"
 
babe said:
While I am a man who can be rational, i don't believe that is always the right way. Often our reason is not appropriate because we are not fully informed, or don't see the applicable right principles.

But it is always a better exercise to understand other views and be respectful towards others. Well, or maybe not, if they are beyond help.
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Your arguments sometimes perplex me, but you certainly deserve credit for making your points with respect.
 
str8line said:
Trump supporters should be treated the way people should have treated Hitler supporters. He is a dangerous demagogue.


dem·a·gogue
ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
noun
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand, fomenter, provocateur
"he was drawn into a circle of campus demagogues"
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Give me a break. This is the most overblown **** that has come from this election. This country isnt even set up to give power to a Hitler type.

There is a huge difference between not being a white guilt race baiter, and a ruthless dictator set out to murder millions of people. There is a huge difference between not wanting more immigration than the country can handle and fighting terrorism, than actually being the aggressor that seeks out to murder people. Protecting one's self country is not the same murder.

Hitler and Trump are not the same. Not even ****ing close. To suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonesty at its greatest.
 
Computer said:
Give me a break. This is the most overblown **** that has come from this election. This country isnt even set up to give power to a Hitler type.

There is a huge difference between not being a white guilt race baiter, and a ruthless dictator set out to murder millions of people. There is a huge difference between not wanting more immigration than the country can handle and fighting terrorism, than actually being the aggressor that seeks out to murder people. Protecting one's self country is not the same murder.

Hitler and Trump are not the same. Not even ****ing close. To suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonesty at its greatest.
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Hitler didn't have a resume of gassing women and children when he was running for office.

The comparison to Trump is that, like Hitler, Trump is a demagogue. He is scapegoating marginalized segments of society to the delight of those who technically belong to the privileged segment but who haven't enjoyed many of the privileges. There are so many white men in the U.S. who wonder where all the benefits are and they think tump will protect them from the cultural scourge that Mexicans represent. Plus the dangerous non-Christian horde of Muslim terrorists.

Hitler most likely (let's say 90%, hopefully) couldn't happen in the U.S.. Not the full blown, concentration camps, final solution, WWIII stuff. But that's not what we're saying in that comparison. We're talking about the election, in the U.S., of a demagogue. A politician who appeals to our lower selves. A candidate that stokes our nationalistic pride and identifies those who represent the core of what it means to be an American as someone like "me." And in identifying a real American as someone like me he also identifies those who are not real Americans, those who do not represent the greatness of the America we will create. those who are different than "me." He promises that to be a real American is to be great and to win and to have and he will give us what we deserve, what we are owed, what we are entitled to. And those who are not like "us" will pay for it all, because we've sacrificed and suffered for their benefit for too long. Now we get ours.

Do it trump. Do it. Make America hate again.

He'll never reach ultimate Hitler status. He's just a baby Hitler. And the U.S. isn't the ideal place for a baby Hitler to evolve into ultimate Hitler. But all the same, let's abort this **** now and forget that this nasty **** ever happened in the first place.
 
Gameface said:
Hitler didn't have a resume of gassing women and children when he was running for office.

The comparison to Trump is that, like Hitler, Trump is a demagogue. He is scapegoating marginalized segments of society to the delight of those who technically belong to the privileged segment but who haven't enjoyed many of the privileges. There are so many white men in the U.S. who wonder where all the benefits are and they think tump will protect them from the cultural scourge that Mexicans represent. Plus the dangerous non-Christian horde of Muslim terrorists.

Hitler most likely (let's say 90%, hopefully) couldn't happen in the U.S.. Not the full blown, concentration camps, final solution, WWIII stuff. But that's not what we're saying in that comparison. We're talking about the election, in the U.S., of a demagogue. A politician who appeals to our lower selves. A candidate that stokes our nationalistic pride and identifies those who represent the core of what it means to be an American as someone like "me." And in identifying a real American as someone like me he also identifies those who are not real Americans, those who do not represent the greatness of the America we will create. those who are different than "me." He promises that to be a real American is to be great and to win and to have and he will give us what we deserve, what we are owed, what we are entitled to. And those who are not like "us" will pay for it all, because we've sacrificed and suffered for their benefit for too long. Now we get ours.

Do it trump. Do it. Make America hate again.

He'll never reach ultimate Hitler status. He's just a baby Hitler. And the U.S. isn't the ideal place for a baby Hitler to evolve into ultimate Hitler. But all the same, let's abort this **** now and forget that this nasty **** ever happened in the first place.
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You make Hitler seem like a Pokémon.

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