NFL 2015 Season Discussion Thread

[NAOS]

You crying again? Shocker!

question: do you know what crying is?

 

[Stoked]

you're bitch enough to sift through this thread for an old post, but then not find and read the post where I explained my take on the game? shocker.

question: do you know what crying is?

Yup

Had to

 

[Stoked]

I'm not trying to diminish what the Denver D did but that offensive line was trash and has been most the season. The D still would have gotten pressure on Brady but not to the level they did had Brady been behind a solid(non duct taped o-line). To argue otherwise is foolish.

True and if Manning wasn't nursing a slow banged up body it would have been 34-12. If if if...

 

[fishonjazz]

True and if Manning wasn't nursing a slow banged up body it would have been 34-12. If if if...

No that post wasn't even true. The Broncos defense, especially the pass rush, was elite that game and has been all year regardless of what O-line they go up against.

The defense is the reason that the Broncos game a chance at a superbowl

The pats and Brady did just fine the week before against another "good" defense. The difference is that the bronco defense isn't simply good

 

[Stoked]

No that post wasn't even true. The Broncos defense, especially the pass rush, was elite that game and has been all year regardless of what O-line they go up against.

The defense is the reason that the Broncos game a chance at a superbowl

The pats and Brady did just fine the week before against another "good" defense. The difference is that the bronco defense isn't simply good

It is true to a point. The Denver D and D line is elite. They have been blasting teams and QBs all season. Leading in sacks and 3rd in rush D. They are brutal. No taking away or lessening that at all. But a better O line would have helped.

Like Carolina. It will all be decided by the front lines. If Denver replicates this against the better Caroline O line then Denver wins. Completely possible and plausible.

If the Carolina O line stops the QB pressure than the Panthers win. Completely plausible and possible.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No that post wasn't even true. The Broncos defense, especially the pass rush, was elite that game and has been all year regardless of what O-line they go up against.

The defense is the reason that the Broncos game a chance at a superbowl

The pats and Brady did just fine the week before against another "good" defense. The difference is that the bronco defense isn't simply good

Broncos won because Patriots have an easier time cheating at home and cant do ish on the road vs Manning. Hopefully Peyton gave Brady some Papa John coupons to ease the pain.

 

[Miggs]

So your whole argument is that he has more Super Bowl wins? That is a weak argument, there is a lot more that goes into winning than 1 player. I need more than that. When did the scandal about spygate come out? thats when they stopped taping and thats when they stopped winning. Manning is 3-2 in head to head matches and beats Brady in every applicable statistic to QBs.

I didnt assume you were a Pats fan just said you were skewed. But being a Phili fan doesnt help your argument much.

You're a complete clown. You don't even know when Spygate happened and you're going to talk about it as if it's Gospel. Spygate was in 2007. Since then the Pats have gone:

11-5
10-6
14-2
13-3
12-4
12-4
12-4
12-4

Don't bother replying because your opinion on Brady, the Pats and football is meaningless to me at this point.

 

[Ron Mexico]

You're a complete clown. You don't even know when Spygate happened and you're going to talk about it as if it's Gospel. Spygate was in 2007. Since then the Pats have gone:

11-5
10-6
14-2
13-3
12-4
12-4
12-4
12-4

Don't bother replying because your opinion on Brady, the Pats and football is meaningless to me at this point.

Thanks for proving my point. The only super bowl win post spygate is the deflategate year.

Manning had good regular season records every year as well. Except the season he missed due to injury and his team was terrible, really terrible. The season Brady missed to injury his team played pretty well. They set a record for best team ever to miss the playoffs. But he was backed up by a great qb that set the league on fire after right? Nothing to do with a great team and good system.

I said Brady is in my top 5 qbs all time. He is just below Manning. Haven't heard any argument why not from you besides name calling and more super bowl wins. So the best in every sport is simply who wins the most championships? I guess Parker is head and shoulders a way better PG than Stockton.

Sorry to respond after you asked not to. It's just too easy. But...

Don't bother responding either. You have no argument. Just keep calling names and think it's helping you sound cool.

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[Ron Mexico]

No they didn't.
What was the pats overall record during that stretch? What was their playoff record.

You yourself said you can't simply look at super bowl wins. Im confident that the pats still had a very good record even when they didn't win the super bowl. Can't win it every year. There are other good teams in the nfl besides the patriots

I agree they were good at that time. They just didn't win it all. I don't think that means everything. Just arguing with those that are using that as their only reason Brady is better than manning. Once again I think Brady is top 5 all time. I just rank Peyton higher. Peyton took worse teams further and his teams talked relied on him more. His statistics blow Brady out of the water. Winning is factor. Winning in the super bowl matter. But there are many factors. More than happy to hear a good Brady argument. All I am hearing is that the only thing that matters is super bowl wins and that makes Brady the best. I guess Peyton and Trent Dilfer are on the same level.

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[Ron Mexico]

Love that the Brady people make the argument I am saying Brady is trash to make my argument sound weaker. He is great, just not the greatest qb ever. I also love that they are arguing what their team has done. That also makes their argument weaker. Pats have had a dominant team for a long time. That isn't only because of Brady. The have had a lot of talent around him.

I think this argument is done for me. I gave my side and outside of fishonjazz the Brady arguers are just calling names and have nothing productive to offer.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree they were good at that time. They just didn't win it all. I don't think that means everything. Just arguing with those that are using that as their only reason Brady is better than manning. Once again I think Brady is top 5 all time. I just rank Peyton higher. Peyton took worse teams further and his teams talked relied on him more. His statistics blow Brady out of the water. Winning is factor. Winning in the super bowl matter. But there are many factors. More than happy to hear a good Brady argument. All I am hearing is that the only thing that matters is super bowl wins and that makes Brady the best. I guess Peyton and Trent Dilfer are on the same level.

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How do Montana's stats compare to Brady, elway, manning, farve?

All I ever heard was that montana was the greatest of all time because of his superbowls.

 

[Miggs]

Love that the Brady people make the argument I am saying Brady is trash to make my argument sound weaker. He is great, just not the greatest qb ever. I also love that they are arguing what their team has done. That also makes their argument weaker. Pats have had a dominant team for a long time. That isn't only because of Brady. The have had a lot of talent around him.

I think this argument is done for me. I gave my side and outside of fishonjazz the Brady arguers are just calling names and have nothing productive to offer.

Manning has had Harrison, Wayne, Thomas, Sanders, and so on to throw too. Brady had Moss for one good year, and only more recently has had Gronk and Edelman. He's done way better at succeeding with far less.

 

[Hotdog]

question: do you know what crying is?

No. I've never done it in my life. I bet you know all about it though.

NAOS = the expert cry baby

 

[Hotdog]

Brady > Manning is an easy one for me.

Peyton has choked too many times for me to think he's the greatest. I'd seriously rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton.

Good for Peyton to make the superbowl this year though. He gets a chance to go out on top. I doubt it though. I expect the Panthers to win this one. I also expect Peyton to throw a pick in a crucial moment to end the game. That's just what I've come to expect from him now.

 

[Hotdog]

Brady > Manning is an easy one for me.

Peyton has choked too many times for me to think he's the greatest. I'd seriously rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton.

Good for Peyton to make the superbowl this year though. He gets a chance to go out on top. I doubt it though. I expect the Panthers to win this one. I also expect Peyton to throw a pick in a crucial moment to end the game. That's just what I've come to expect from him now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree they were good at that time. They just didn't win it all. I don't think that means everything. Just arguing with those that are using that as their only reason Brady is better than manning. Once again I think Brady is top 5 all time. I just rank Peyton higher. Peyton took worse teams further and his teams talked relied on him more. His statistics blow Brady out of the water. Winning is factor. Winning in the super bowl matter. But there are many factors. More than happy to hear a good Brady argument. All I am hearing is that the only thing that matters is super bowl wins and that makes Brady the best. I guess Peyton and Trent Dilfer are on the same level.

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Let's be honest, Drew Brees takes a fat dump on all of them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're a complete clown. You don't even know when Spygate happened and you're going to talk about it as if it's Gospel. Spygate was in 2007. Since then the Pats have gone:

11-5
10-6
14-2
13-3
12-4
12-4
12-4
12-4

Don't bother replying because your opinion on Brady, the Pats and football is meaningless to me at this point.

And only 1 ring cuz the Seahawks choked the playcalling.

 

[Stoked]

Brady > Manning is an easy one for me.

Peyton has choked too many times for me to think he's the greatest. I'd seriously rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton.

Good for Peyton to make the superbowl this year though. He gets a chance to go out on top. I doubt it though. I expect the Panthers to win this one. I also expect Peyton to throw a pick in a crucial moment to end the game. That's just what I've come to expect from him now.

This is an over rated argument IMO. Not arguing that Manning is the greatest but he is also 3-1 on AFC title games and has a ring on his finger. Possibly two in a couple weeks. Over stated.

Are we going to point to losses? then we can pull up all the years Elway lost, or Brady, Montana, Young, Marino, Moon, Aikman, Farve, Rodgers...

 

[Hotdog]

Let me just solve the equation of who is the best quarterback and team of all time.

When the Pat's went undefeated in the regular season. They were widely regarded as the best team ever. They had the numbers to back it up.

But what happened?

They lost to Eli Manning and the Giants in the superbowl. If that was the best team ever, but lost to the Giants, that means the Giants are the best team ever, and Eli is the best quarterback ever.

And just to prove it wasn't a fluke, the Giants did it again.

Boom!

Giants = Best team ever

Eli = Best Quarterback ever.

 

[Hotdog]

This is an over rated argument IMO. Not arguing that Manning is the greatest but he is also 3-1 on AFC title games and has a ring on his finger. Possibly two in a couple weeks. Over stated.

Are we going to point to losses? then we can pull up all the years Elway lost, or Brady, Montana, Young, Marino, Moon, Aikman, Farve, Rodgers...

It's not overrated. You've turned a blind eye.

I like Peyton. I root for him. I've rooted for him in every playoffs. He's routinely screwed up in big moments. Those are facts.

It is what it is. He's still great, but he's had problems finishing big games.

He has 1 ring. That's it. For as good as he was in the regular season he should have more.