Official Locker Room Cleanout Thread

[DutchJazzer]

chucking vet + Corbin = Bad

slightly good vet + Corbin = Bad

crappy alfensive vet + Corbin = Bad

hero vet + Corbin = Bad

vet + Corbin = Bad

Any questions?

fixed

 

[Stoked]

??? But Dallas & Lakers were dramatically worse???

Also if others are getting better, why shouldn't we get better as well? Can we afford to stay the same?

If the west is getting better that would mean that we are facing superior competition overall and still come out ahead...? mayeb that's what he meant. I don't know.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Ty talked about how crappy it was coaching all the free agents. That is probably one area where we underestimate him. it looked like he only lost Millsap towards the end of the season. I know I would like to see him say screw you to the vets, and play the young guys, but how bad would that locker room be if he did that?

maybe because millsap is the only vet not benefiting from this vet friendly non team orientated chucking alfensive system

 

[DutchJazzer]

Hayward said that being demoted to the bench was good for him as it made him handle the ball more, be the main man at times to score and distribute.

Said he's ready to take over the reins if that is how it plays out next season.

Sees himself as an Allstar.

Disappointed in the seasons, feels they under achieved.

common sense mo foye al are no team players. it is not the bench it is who he plays with

 

[DutchJazzer]

In his interview, Ty said he thinks Gordon will be a guy that can carry the team next year. Does that mean running iso for Gordon on half of the plays called?

so no alfense. but hayfense?

 

[orangello]

Just listening to Dennis Lindsay talk about Al; He's coming back.

I don't want to neg you but I just might. Don't push it.

 

[GVC]

The salary floor is going to be about 52 Mil. With Marvin opting and us picking up Kevin Murphy's option in we have about 25.5 Mil commited for 7 players. We are required to play 6-8 players at least 26.5 Mil.

Read your link again. You don't actually have to spend up to the salary floor. If a team has a payroll below the salary floor, they pay the balance as a penalty. You could go the whole season with 13 minimum salary guys.

 

[GVC]

The new CBA doesn't allow you to s&t with a team over the cap!!

False.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I will turn my Jazz fan card if Carrol is not brought back.

****, I wanted Carroll back too. I may have to change my position now that I know what can be gained from him not coming back.

 

[orangello]

False.

Keep going, I like this game.

 

[Qman]

Read your link again. You don't actually have to spend up to the salary floor. If a team has a payroll below the salary floor, they pay the balance as a penalty. You could go the whole season with 13 minimum salary guys.

So we should intentionally not get as many good players as we can? Like the fans and Commissioner Stern would let that pass without a response.

Just because it is technically possible, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

 

[Zulu]

False.

True!!

 

[NAOS]

****, I wanted Carroll back too. I may have to change my position now that I know what can be gained from him not coming back.

Repped like a bawse

 

[NAOS]

So we should intentionally not get as many good players as we can? Like the fans and Commissioner Stern would let that pass without a response.

Just because it is technically possible, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Dude,

We need megaspace so we can absorb a couple Gugliottas.

 

[Zulu]

Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.

Another factor encouraging a player not to seek a sign-and-trade is that his new team might be weakened by losing players or draft picks in the trade. So while a sign-and-trade is a useful tool when the team does not have the cap room to sign the player directly, the player and his new team have little reason to seek a sign-and-trade when the player can be signed without involving his previous team.

!

 

[gregbroncs]

And, **** No to Gasol. He eats all of our cap space.... and, for what? **** No

For one year. Then he's gone. We are not going to spend a ton of money on a long term FA this year anyway.

 

[My2Cents]

!

Ok, I'm confused. Where does it say a team over the cap can't do a sign and trade? I think it's saying players are only forced to do sign and trades if the team they want to play for is over the cap. Otherwise there is no advantage for the player.

 

[NAOS]

For one year. Then he's gone. We are not going to spend a ton of money on a long term FA this year anyway.

Dude,

The whole point of our (non)moves has been to give us maximum financial flexibilty to absorb contracts and take picks. Gasol wipes out all the space and we might get one or two distant ****ty picks.

Imo, Gasol is one of the worst deals out there for us and our future.

Hell no.

We want room to absorb two gugliottas + picks.

 

[b_line]

That's true, but the top got better as well. We had 5 fifty five win western conference teams this year. That number is unprecedented.

Haha. Except for that year when we had nine fifty win teams in the west. The top was not that much better than normal this year.

 

[Zulu]

Ok, I'm confused. Where does it say a team over the cap can't do a sign and trade? I think it's saying players are only forced to do sign and trades if the team they want to play for is over the cap. Otherwise there is no advantage for the player.

True dat!!!