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If the jazz need a bonifide star then call the kings and see what they want for cousins.

Wait and see what happens in chitown they may start a rebuild.

Boston is in a win now they might trade a top 2 pick and logic says hayward would be the primary piece with stevens and all.

Milwaukee is a mess with the monroe signing and bad development but i would guess they build around giannis.

Washington is border line rebuild as wall ages and they havent been able to put a team around him. Bradley beal did not progress as they hoped.

Of course you have philly and they are a complete mess. I do like covington but he is not a star but a valuable role player. I would also inquire about their bigs.

If derozen leaves toronto will be a mess and working on a rebuild but they dont have much any more.

The best bet would be for the jazz to be patient.
 
Jazz4ever said:
If the Lakers get top 2 they wouldn't trade with us, they'd be looking for a Jimmy Butler type return. I do think they do #3 for Hayward or Gobert, the Jazz decline this pretty easily. #3 and down are pretty big wildcards in this draft.
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Hayward and Jimmy Butler are like the same level. Hayward might be better than Butler At least less locker room problems.
 
fishonjazz said:
I with ya about getting a star. But I think there is a limit to how much you give up for one. I would give a lot but your proposal is too much I think.

A star isn't enough. Look at the brow, and boogie cousins.

You need a good team around them too. What we would have left wouldn't be good enough.

I give then favors or hayward and toss in burke and burks.

You are talking about our three best players. All of them with a decent chance at making an all star team.
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I agree with everything you say. BUT, look at what Portland did with Lillard. They did what Utah did not.

Like I mentioned somewhere earlier, there is no one that would trade Gobert for PDX's starting C, Favors for PDX's starting PF, Hayward for PDX's starting SF, Hood for PDX's starting SG.

Yet, we were 9th and PDX was 5th.

Cousins is a head case. The Brow was in the playoffs last year, which is better than we were.


Anyways, my point has been made. I don't care how many Gobert's, Favor's, Hayward's we have...we aren't going anywhere without a star.

So, yes, I'd trade all of those guys for a star. If you have a star, you can build. If you have Hayward/Favors/Gobert you are stuck between 7-10 and going nowhere.

I'd rather have a shot for greatness than to make money for Millers by getting swept in the first round every year.
 
green said:
I agree with everything you say. BUT, look at what Portland did with Lillard. They did what Utah did not.

Like I mentioned somewhere earlier, there is no one that would trade Gobert for PDX's starting C, Favors for PDX's starting PF, Hayward for PDX's starting SF, Hood for PDX's starting SG.

Yet, we were 9th and PDX was 5th.

Cousins is a head case. The Brow was in the playoffs last year, which is better than we were.


Anyways, my point has been made. I don't care how many Gobert's, Favor's, Hayward's we have...we aren't going anywhere without a star.

So, yes, I'd trade all of those guys for a star. If you have a star, you can build. If you have Hayward/Favors/Gobert you are stuck between 7-10 and going nowhere.

I'd rather have a shot for greatness than to make money for Millers by getting swept in the first round every year.
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I didn't think we will get swept in the first round every year with our current roster. Some years yes, others year no. I think this roster can get to the second round in a few years.
 
fishonjazz said:
I didn't think we will get swept in the first round every year with our current roster. Some years yes, others year no. I think this roster can get to the second round in a few years.
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I thought so too. I want it to be so so badly. I'm pretty chaffed right now, lol. To have that much cap room and miss the playoffs...and let Houston in...the Jazz organization screwed up big time.

Everyone talks baking the cake. Getting a starting PG and getting Utah to the playoffs is baking the cake.

Missing the playoffs is mixing the cake then forgetting to turn on the oven. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
 
green said:
I thought so too. I want it to be so so badly. I'm pretty chaffed right now, lol. To have that much cap room and miss the playoffs...and let Houston in...the Jazz organization screwed up big time.

Everyone talks baking the cake. Getting a starting PG and getting Utah to the playoffs is baking the cake.

Missing the playoffs is mixing the cake then forgetting to turn on the oven. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
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Fair enough. Good post. You make a lot of sense and I mostly agree with you in general.
 
green said:
I agree with everything you say. BUT, look at what Portland did with Lillard. They did what Utah did not.

Like I mentioned somewhere earlier, there is no one that would trade Gobert for PDX's starting C, Favors for PDX's starting PF, Hayward for PDX's starting SF, Hood for PDX's starting SG.

Yet, we were 9th and PDX was 5th.

Cousins is a head case. The Brow was in the playoffs last year, which is better than we were.


Anyways, my point has been made. I don't care how many Gobert's, Favor's, Hayward's we have...we aren't going anywhere without a star.

So, yes, I'd trade all of those guys for a star. If you have a star, you can build. If you have Hayward/Favors/Gobert you are stuck between 7-10 and going nowhere.

I'd rather have a shot for greatness than to make money for Millers by getting swept in the first round every year.
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Portland won how many more games than the Jazz. A Jazz team who played the whole year without their starting PG ( a player who Lillard said was going to be a great player), Burks missed 40 games and both Gobert and Favors missed a lot of games. They both were hurt down the stretch when Utah was losing close games to GS, Dallas etc.

Your Anthony Davis comment does not actually support your claim that a superstar is needed to win. Jordan won squat until he got Pippen. Lebron didn't win until he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. OKC with two stars have one Final appearance.

Yes it is true that Utah did not make the playoffs, they were one game out of the playoffs. They missed the playoffs because of injuries, poor FT shooting and a crappy bench. Trading away over half the starting lineup for the potential of a unproven #1 draft pick could end up a complete disaster. This year's number one isn't like you are going to get a Magic, Jordan or Lebron.

NO superstar wants to play on a gutted team. Beside the fact that your trade seems like the idea of a Laker fan instead of a Jazz fan. There is absolutely no reason to do that trade unless you want to start another rebuild.
 
green said:
I can't believe you guys don't get this simple, simple fact:

You need a star to go anywhere in the NBA.

Houston made the playoffs over us.

Gobert, Favors and Hayward did not make the playoffs.

Harden did.

Lillard did.

Hayward, Favors and Gobert aren't taking us anywhere.

If this Jazz team becomes a 55 win team, it will be because Exum is a star.

No one else in this team has the ability to get us there.

So, would I trade Gobert, Favors and Hayward for a star or the chance to draft a star?

Yup. Because without a star we are a 7-10 seed in the West.
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Do you really aspire for us to be like Houston? Two "stars" (whatever that means) on a trainwreck team that barely got past the Jazz despite a multitude of injuries? Really? Really?

Lots of teams make the playoffs without stars.

And the pelicans, kings, and TWolves have "stars" and are out of the playoffs.

Having great players helps you win more games. But this "magic bullet" star mentality is the lamest argument.

The obsession over a "star" cracks me up. People say "we must have a star" and then they rattle off 15 "stars" Newsflash: the fifteenth best "star" is an average "best player on the team"
 
silesian said:
Do you really aspire for us to be like Houston? Two "stars" (whatever that means) on a trainwreck team that barely got past the Jazz despite a multitude of injuries? Really? Really?

Lots of teams make the playoffs without stars.

And the pelicans, kings, and TWolves have "stars" and are out of the playoffs.

Having great players helps you win more games. But this "magic bullet" star mentality is the lamest argument.

The obsession over a "star" cracks me up. People say "we must have a star" and then they rattle off 15 "stars" Newsflash: the fifteenth best "star" is an average "best player on the team"
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I'd LOVE to be Houston. Olajuwon. Barkley. Drexler. McGrady. Harden. Howard.

Houston has won a title.

Other than Stockton and Malone, what have we done?

Our ceiling might just be Deron's teams.

Houston's is a title.

I'd rather be NO, Minn or Sac right now. They have a star and a hope.

At least Sac is interesting.

This team is just...boring. They don't win, they aren't fun to watch.

Just a lot of...meh.
 
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green said:
I'd LOVE to be Houston. Olajuwon. Barkley. Drexler. McGrady. Harden. Howard.

Houston has won a title.

Other than Stockton and Malone, what have we done?

Our ceiling might just be Deron's teams.

Houston's is a title.

I'd rather be NO, Minn or Sac right now. NO have a star and a hope.

At least Sac is interesting.

This team is just...boring. They don't win, they aren't fun to watch.

Just a lot of...meh.
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Quite frankly the dumbest post ever on jazzfanz. Idiot!! U realize if not for the injury the Jazz might have had the 5th seed for a team where most of the top guys are still developing? This would make your entire argument very much a waste of time. Exum Lyles Hood and Gobert still basically in their infancy as far as their careers are concerned, and with all the cap space they have, that should scare the hell out of the rest of the league. The Jazz are slowly but surely building the deepest team in the league. A proper rebuild takes a good 5-7-8 years. We will be built to last a long time. I couldn't be more giddy about how this team is starting to shape into.

There is so many possibilities. Exum in my opinion should be a star. Gobert is going to be a defensive star for years to come. If the Jazz do lose or decide we can't keep Hayward, we can flip him for some nice depth and future assets and replace him with Hood, and start Burks. Lyles looks like a high end starting caliber stretch/playmaking 4. If need be we can do some more replenishing of talent and future assets with Favors, and that's before we have all this money to lock up our other players and continue to add depth when needed. We have so many options it's frightening.
 
green said:
I'd LOVE to be Houston. Olajuwon. Barkley. Drexler. McGrady. Harden. Howard.

Houston has won a title.

Other than Stockton and Malone, what have we done?

Our ceiling might just be Deron's teams.

Houston's is a title.

I'd rather be NO, Minn or Sac right now. They have a star and a hope.

At least Sac is interesting.

This team is just...boring. They don't win, they aren't fun to watch.

Just a lot of...meh.
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Hope you enjoyed the trip down memory lane -- your attempt to change the subject from the current state to historical is transparently disingenuous.
 
green said:
I'd LOVE to be Houston. Olajuwon. Barkley. Drexler. McGrady. Harden. Howard.

Houston has won a title.

Other than Stockton and Malone, what have we done?

Our ceiling might just be Deron's teams.

Houston's is a title.

I'd rather be NO, Minn or Sac right now. They have a star and a hope.

At least Sac is interesting.

This team is just...boring. They don't win, they aren't fun to watch.

Just a lot of...meh.
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There are no shortcuts. Maybe a few big markets can take shortcuts by luring free agents and spending 200 million on their payroll and even that often backfires (Brokelynn, NY).
So the Jazz will do the only thing they can, draft smart and hope one of them emerges into a star. Might have to wait another 3 years for Exum, possibly 5+ years for a player we are yet to draft, but there are no shortcuts. If you want instant gratification here is the link to the Golden State board. You can act like you are from California and have been a lifelong fan. Its a message board, no one will ever know!


https://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/
 
Ha ha. The group think here is hilarious.

I always get bored of this site then venture back, and it's always the same 5 idiots yelling back and forth at each other.

Ha ha.

Like I said earlier, with the cap space Utah had, this year wasn't baking the cake. It was putting it in the oven and not turning it on.

This year was a waste.
 
green said:
Ha ha. The group think here is hilarious.

I always get bored of this site then venture back, and it's always the same 5 idiots yelling back and forth at each other.

Ha ha.

Like I said earlier, with the cap space Utah had, this year wasn't baking the cake. It was putting it in the oven and not turning it on.

This year was a waste.
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You have no idea who the Jazz did or did not try to acquire last year. They do not leak this information. The free agent class was very weak last year anyways, overpaying someone like Danny Green would have been disastrous. I was for offering Green a huge contract and watching him fall of the earth this year made me realize DL, for the most part, knows what he's doing.
 
silesian said:
Hope you enjoyed the trip down memory lane -- your attempt to change the subject from the current state to historical is transparently disingenuous.
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lol. So, when you bring up Houston, and I respond about what you brought up, that is me changing the subject? lol.
 
green said:
I'd give LeBron Favors, Burks and pick.

Exum
Hood
Hayward
Love
Robert

We'd win 50 with that team.

Basically, I believe we are a star away from 50 wins. We have all the complimentary pieces. We just need the star.
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Bro have you been watching NBA basketball over the last few years? Love is not a star. He never once could lead his team to the postseason and he's a dumpster fire defensively. I'm not really sure what you are getting at Green, especially when you consider our identity is defense and Favors is a very good defensive player at the 4.


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