Not sure. Just make him available for some outside shooting/picks. Wouldnt be surprised if we find it in our best interest to keep him. Heck of a player on a good contract.
Pacers Making Play at Millsap?
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Not sure. Just make him available for some outside shooting/picks. Wouldnt be surprised if we find it in our best interest to keep him. Heck of a player on a good contract.
I disagree. The Jazz don't really need anymore picks. We have the amount of 1st round picks needed on the team, and in the future coming up. I think it's time to pursue some legitimate talent.
Granger = Wish list
Hibbert = Already a log jam in the Jazz front court.. also I think we need to evaluate how Kanter & Favor gel first before bringing in Hibbert
George = He's good but not an ideal fit right now as we already have 2 and 3 locked up with Burks and Hayward. You would really upset one of them by bringing in George IMO.. again need to evaluate how Burks & Hayward gell first before bringing in George.
Collison: Good, but can he be great?
Hill: Again, good but can he be great? He'd set good screens for us though.. and has proven that he can hit that open 3's.. also he's a pretty heady and gutsy player which I think could thrive in the Jazz system. Spurs only got rid of him because they already have Parker..
I think realistically it comes down to either Collison or Hill + 1 role player + Pacers taking back some of our bad contracts. I'm leaning towards Hill, IMO, just because KOC seems to prefer a more durable PG and he's more experience and has proven both in the regular season and in the playoffs that he can step up..
Hibbert = Already a log jam in the Jazz front court.. also I think we need to evaluate how Kanter & Favor gel first before bringing in Hibbert
George = He's good but not an ideal fit right now as we already have 2 and 3 locked up with Burks and Hayward. You would really upset one of them by bringing in George IMO.. again need to evaluate how Burks & Hayward gell first before bringing in George.
Collison: Good, but can he be great?
Hill: Again, good but can he be great? He'd set good screens for us though.. and has proven that he can hit that open 3's.. also he's a pretty heady and gutsy player which I think could thrive in the Jazz system. Spurs only got rid of him because they already have Parker..
I think realistically it comes down to either Collison or Hill + 1 role player + Pacers taking back some of our bad contracts. I'm leaning towards Hill, IMO, just because KOC seems to prefer a more durable PG and he's more experience and has proven both in the regular season and in the playoffs that he can step up..
My thinking is the Pacers are going to try and be a FA force this year. I think they are going to go after Nene or Gasol. They want a PF to pair up with that, so I think they really want Millsap because of his contract. Collison is their only PG, and he is good and young. George is their equivalent to Hayward, but probably even more hyped up by their fanbase. Hill is a young combo guard who is probably capable of being the starting SG. Granger is the expendable one due to his contract. We probably give them either Miles + Sap for Granger, or Bell + Sap for Granger. The Pacer's then amnesty Posey (I think he has a bad contract) and sign some other players because they have a ton of cap room.
Pacers lineup would be
Collison
Hill
George
Sap
Nene or Gasol
Also they would mantain a decent bench with Psycho T, Hibbert, and Miles/Bell.
That's a solid line up with a potent front line and backcourt with potential and I don't think they can do much better for Granger. Pacers will suck for another year but will be in position to get a good draft pick in a deep class.
OK with everything you've said but wouldn't this be a better line up:
Collison
George
Granger
Sap
Nene or Gasol
I do think Pacers can get more for Granger than Millsap. There aren't many super stars in this league and Granger has to at least be one of them.. I would be surprise if they'd let go of him. But if they do I'd swap him as you've said with Millsap in a second.
More realistically though I think Pacers would offer: Hill/Collison/Hibbert + 1st round draft pick + role player + take away bad contracts for Millsap. I'd take Hill and make him take away Bell & Harris.
Yes, that is a better line-up. I just don't think the Jazz are looking to trade Millsap for bench players and picks. If they want that they can just move Millsap to the bench and he will be a better bench player than any player we get for him.
Why would the Pacers do it: They are willing to really suck one more year for a shot at a high pick in a loaded draft while picking up a solid starter @ a low price. A stretch, I know, but possible.
You're probably right.. on second thought I don't know if either Hill or Collison is significantly better than Harris..
By process of elimination therefore.. it's Granger or no deal..
freakazoid
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Disagree on both counts. We don't really need anymore picks in the NEXT draft, but now is a great time to be stockpiling picks that could be conveyed in 2-3 years. Even if we did acquire another pick in the next draft, it could be used to move up or in a trade. I'm not saying I think we should trade Sap to get a pick, because I don't, but you can never have too many assets.
IMO, next year is the time to pursue legitmate talent, not this year. Utah could really be in a fantastic position next year, stacked with high draft picks and trade flexibility.
just because
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I totally agree with the fools gold. No thanks.
I get what you are saying, but I feel this is the time to start moving forward. We potentially have two picks this year in the lottery (even though if we got Granger we would probably be a playoff team, so I see what you maybe saying we should wait a year) and 4 super young players who are promising. We also have two veteran players who are in their primes. I think if we add a 3rd in Granger, we have our core for the foreseeable future.
Harris - Watson
Hayward - Burks
Granger - Burks
Favors - Kanter
Jefferson - Okur
Honestly don't see how that team doesn't make the playoffs.
freakazoid
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It would be hard to turn down Granger, but I think adding him right now would hurt the future, and we couldn't get him without overpaying anyway. I know it sucks to think of having another season of no playoffs, but having some patience for one more year could really pay off big. Instead of adding Granger this year to be a first round exit, we might be able to add him/someone like him next year with 2 more lottery picks in a very strong draft. I get dizzy when I start thinking about how this could all come together, and I think now is a good time to really look at the big picture. Gotta keep our eye on the prize.
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It would be hard to turn down Granger, but I think adding him right now would hurt the future, and we couldn't get him without overpaying anyway. I know it sucks to think of having another season of no playoffs, but having some patience for one more year could really pay off big. Instead of adding Granger this year to be a first round exit, we might be able to add him/someone like him next year with 2 more lottery picks in a very strong draft. I get dizzy when I start thinking about how this could all come together, and I think now is a good time to really look at the big picture. Gotta keep our eye on the prize.
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orangello
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I guess it all comes down go what you want to accomplish.
If the Pacers were silly enough to trade Granger for Millsap then you are right, the Jazz look like a solid playoff team.
On the other hand, the Jazz could get another pick(s) as well as some cap flexibility and pray that they can continue to build a championship caliber team in the future.
For me it is simple, get the young guys playing time and reached them to play at a high level. Over time they will gain the experience necessary to win, and win a lot.
I realty like Granger as a player but it is going to take a lot more than him to get the Jazz competing for a championship. The Jazz have been to the playoffs, but they have never won the whole thing. My vote is to build toward a championship and not the playoffs.
orangello
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Here are my top choices in order of who I would want from the Pacers (realistic possibilities):
Hill
George
Collison
Hill is a Jazz type PG. He plays hard, doesn't back down from anyone, does the dirty work needed to win and he can hit an open shot from the outside or get into the lane when needed.
The Spurs felt like he was their PG of the future but they could not justify giving TP that kind of an extension. I am sure that Holt also knew that in this new CBA that he might be able to amnesty someone and that someone is Richard Jefferson. The Spurs needed the SF of the future and unfortunately they had to give up a big piece in order to get it. Hill would be a great fit on the Jazz.
Hill
George
Collison
Hill is a Jazz type PG. He plays hard, doesn't back down from anyone, does the dirty work needed to win and he can hit an open shot from the outside or get into the lane when needed.
The Spurs felt like he was their PG of the future but they could not justify giving TP that kind of an extension. I am sure that Holt also knew that in this new CBA that he might be able to amnesty someone and that someone is Richard Jefferson. The Spurs needed the SF of the future and unfortunately they had to give up a big piece in order to get it. Hill would be a great fit on the Jazz.
https://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=65925
Someone suggested Hayward + Millsap for Granger. Pacer's fan not kosher with it.
Someone suggested Hayward + Millsap for Granger. Pacer's fan not kosher with it.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...l-Millsap-Andrei-Kirilenko-rumors-abound.html
John Hollinger tweeted that Millsap is being made available.
Article also says AK is looking at Utah, LA, and New Jersey as potential teams to sign him.
John Hollinger tweeted that Millsap is being made available.
Article also says AK is looking at Utah, LA, and New Jersey as potential teams to sign him.
Jammer
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I doubt Indy would move Paul George at this point. We view him the same way I'm sure you Jazz fans view Derrick Favors. As a potential major star.
As for Millsap (or even Jefferson, since word is he could be available, too): I'd be willing to move some pieces for him, but I wouldn't overspend, not when we have the cap-space to sign a Nene or David West.
I wouldn't move Granger for Millsap. It just doesn't make sense if Indy wants to be as competitive as possible, right now.
I wouldn't move Paul George for Millsap. See above.
I wouldn't move Roy Hibbert for Millsap. Centers with his size and skill-level are too rare to give up.
Anything else, yes.
The best deal I'd probably offer would be something along the lines of Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a moderately protected (top-five) 2012 1st round pick. Whether that'd be worth if for Utah, or whether you could get a better deal, I don't know.
As for Millsap (or even Jefferson, since word is he could be available, too): I'd be willing to move some pieces for him, but I wouldn't overspend, not when we have the cap-space to sign a Nene or David West.
I wouldn't move Granger for Millsap. It just doesn't make sense if Indy wants to be as competitive as possible, right now.
I wouldn't move Paul George for Millsap. See above.
I wouldn't move Roy Hibbert for Millsap. Centers with his size and skill-level are too rare to give up.
Anything else, yes.
The best deal I'd probably offer would be something along the lines of Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a moderately protected (top-five) 2012 1st round pick. Whether that'd be worth if for Utah, or whether you could get a better deal, I don't know.
jazzfan1971
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I think that's a very reasonable guess as to what the deal might look like.
spycam1
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Thanks for stopping by. It would be interesting to have your spin on things as long as these trade talks are going on.
Collison + an unprotected 2012 pick is a little enticing. I guess it depends on how good that pick would be, so I guess the real question is, as a Pacer's fan, how many games do you honestly see your team winning?
The Pacers got the #8 seed in the East last year and will be in contention for it again this year. I'm not seeing what the Pacers have that we want, if not Granger or maybe George, understanding that we passed on him in the draft a year ago. Our own pick or the GSW pick would be comparable to the Indy pick.