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You've become a very angry young man recently. I used to be so impressed by your perspective, given your age, and I liked that we could have a reasonable conversation even if we disagreed. Am I the only one who notices this change? What's happened?

I was thinking about this today actually. I dunno man. I feel like I'm going off the deep end. Some of this **** bugs me to no end. Them puberty hormones.

I really really really think you're wrong though! :) I'll be less of a jerk.
 
It's crazy to me that you frequently find humor (and it seems joy) from these tragic events. Do you consider this some sort of win?

joy. Come on dude. Me saying ROFL at your country in no way reflects happiness.
 
I was thinking about this today actually. I dunno man. I feel like I'm going off the deep end. Some of this **** bugs me to no end. Them puberty hormones.

I really really really think you're wrong though! :) I'll be less of a jerk.
Interesting that you recognize it too. That says good things about you. BTW, you really really really think I'm wrong about what?
 
I was thinking about this today actually. I dunno man. I feel like I'm going off the deep end. Some of this **** bugs me to no end. Them puberty hormones.

I really really really think you're wrong though! :) I'll be less of a jerk.
BTW, Dal, I've changed recently too. I went through a divorce. Most painful experience of my life. And other things that happened almost simultaneously nearly ruined me. It's been devastating for my relationships with my children in more ways than I can express. I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes along the way, but I definitely did not do anything deserving of putting me through this. At it's heart this whole miserable situation is the result of dishonesty. Little lies were told to me that became bigger and bigger and bigger. I feel like such a fool for not realizing what was going on earlier. I've learned a ton about narcissism, and the information has helped me regain my sanity. Anyway, the relevant part of that to this conversation is that my BS detector is now on ultra-high alert. I don't take **** from nobody.

There have been times I felt like I was going off the deep end too, as recently as this week, in fact. But I'm not going to let that happen and I know you won't either. You're a good guy, and you'll accomplish a lot in life if you remain willing to keep the lines of communication open. As a result from time to time you will change someone's mind, and from time to time you will find someone changing yours. Those are good things. Extremest on either end have one thing in common and that is that they are so committed to their positions that they refuse to ever honestly consider the POV of those with whom they disagree. Big mistake.
 
BTW, Dal, I've changed recently too. I went through a divorce. Most painful experience of my life. And other things that happened almost simultaneously nearly ruined me. It's been devastating for my relationships with my children in more ways than I can express. I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes along the way, but I definitely did not do anything deserving of putting me through this. At it's heart this whole miserable situation is the result of dishonesty. Little lies were told to me that became bigger and bigger and bigger. I feel like such a fool for not realizing what was going on earlier. I've learned a ton about narcissism, and the information has helped me regain my sanity. Anyway, the relevant part of that to this conversation is that my BS detector is now on ultra-high alert. I don't take **** from nobody.

There have been times I felt like I was going off the deep end too, as recently as this week, in fact. But I'm not going to let that happen and I know you won't either. You're a good guy, and you'll accomplish a lot in life if you remain willing to keep the lines of communication open. As a result from time to time you will change someone's mind, and from time to time you will find someone changing yours. Those are good things. Extremest on either end have one thing in common and that is that they are so committed to their positions that they refuse to ever honestly consider the POV of those with whom they disagree. Big mistake.

man, what a post. Joe Baggs, everyone.
 
Interesting that you recognize it too. That says good things about you. BTW, you really really really think I'm wrong about what?

my mind merged this thread with the Obamacare thread, so I referred to that. heh.
 
BTW, Dal, I've changed recently too. I went through a divorce. Most painful experience of my life. And other things that happened almost simultaneously nearly ruined me. It's been devastating for my relationships with my children in more ways than I can express. I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes along the way, but I definitely did not do anything deserving of putting me through this. At it's heart this whole miserable situation is the result of dishonesty. Little lies were told to me that became bigger and bigger and bigger. I feel like such a fool for not realizing what was going on earlier. I've learned a ton about narcissism, and the information has helped me regain my sanity. Anyway, the relevant part of that to this conversation is that my BS detector is now on ultra-high alert. I don't take **** from nobody.

There have been times I felt like I was going off the deep end too, as recently as this week, in fact. But I'm not going to let that happen and I know you won't either. You're a good guy, and you'll accomplish a lot in life if you remain willing to keep the lines of communication open. As a result from time to time you will change someone's mind, and from time to time you will find someone changing yours. Those are good things. Extremest on either end have one thing in common and that is that they are so committed to their positions that they refuse to ever honestly consider the POV of those with whom they disagree. Big mistake.

Wow that's rough.. good on you for keeping at it and working it through, I do believe there's always a way out of any situation and sometimes surprisingly you come out better for it.


To borrow a line from a favourite movie of mine "Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not yet the end."
 
Just watched it as well. Cancer is right. I am blown away by the bravery of this reporter, and I'm absolutely stunned that he captured footage like this and succeed at getting it out of the country. When he kept questioning the suicide bomber kid about who was training him, and the kid clearly did not want to answer, I found myself thinking that this reporter's either has balls of steel, or he has a death wish.

The only potential positive I can see is that they clearly need money. Is there any way we could stop the flow? I know that it will be difficult, probably almost impossible, but we must find a way. We have got to learn who the actual leaders are and where the money is coming from. I cannot understand how an informed person could possibly say that global warming is currently a greater threat to our world than terrorism.

After watching this video I find myself wondering how much longer it's going to take until we learn how to build colonies in space.

I was thinking the same thing when he was questioning the teenage suicide bomber, and the kid finally just says "what can I say?". I'm thinking, hey man, drop the question already! Yeah, brave reporter and very lucky to walk out of there alive.

Here's an in depth look that interprets ISIS as a Medieval version of Islam. This article claims it's wrong not to understand that this is indeed Islam. That it's wrong to say "this isn't really Islam".
This view says it most certainly is, and the whole aim is to precipitate the apocalypse.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

...."The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal."

Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse. Western media frequently miss references to Dabiq in the Islamic State’s videos, and focus instead on lurid scenes of beheading. “Here we are, burying the first American crusader in Dabiq, eagerly waiting for the remainder of your armies to arrive,” said a masked executioner in a November video, showing the severed head of Peter (Abdul Rahman) Kassig, the aid worker who’d been held captive for more than a year. During fighting in Iraq in December, after mujahideen (perhaps inaccurately) reported having seen American soldiers in battle, Islamic State Twitter accounts erupted in spasms of pleasure, like overenthusiastic hosts or hostesses upon the arrival of the first guests at a party.

"The Prophetic narration that foretells the Dabiq battle refers to the enemy as Rome. Who “Rome” is, now that the pope has no army, remains a matter of debate. But Cerantonio makes a case that Rome meant the Eastern Roman empire, which had its capital in what is now Istanbul. We should think of Rome as the Republic of Turkey—the same republic that ended the last self-identified caliphate, 90 years ago. Other Islamic State sources suggest that Rome might mean any infidel army, and the Americans will do nicely."
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And here is a key element in their prophesy:

"After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory."

So, believe it or not, in their belief, Jesus Christ will return to lead the Muslim armies to victory. So, it's the end times for them as it is for some Christian groups.
 
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I was thinking the same thing when he was questioning the teenage suicide bomber, and the kid finally just says "what can I say?". I'm thinking, hey man, drop the question already! Yeah, brave reporter and very lucky to walk out of there alive.

Here's an in depth look that interprets ISIS as a Medieval version of Islam. This article claims it's wrong not to understand that this is indeed Islam. That it's wrong to say "this isn't really Islam".
This view says it most certainly is, and the whole aim is to precipitate the apocalypse.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

...."The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal."

Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse. Western media frequently miss references to Dabiq in the Islamic State’s videos, and focus instead on lurid scenes of beheading. “Here we are, burying the first American crusader in Dabiq, eagerly waiting for the remainder of your armies to arrive,” said a masked executioner in a November video, showing the severed head of Peter (Abdul Rahman) Kassig, the aid worker who’d been held captive for more than a year. During fighting in Iraq in December, after mujahideen (perhaps inaccurately) reported having seen American soldiers in battle, Islamic State Twitter accounts erupted in spasms of pleasure, like overenthusiastic hosts or hostesses upon the arrival of the first guests at a party.

"The Prophetic narration that foretells the Dabiq battle refers to the enemy as Rome. Who “Rome” is, now that the pope has no army, remains a matter of debate. But Cerantonio makes a case that Rome meant the Eastern Roman empire, which had its capital in what is now Istanbul. We should think of Rome as the Republic of Turkey—the same republic that ended the last self-identified caliphate, 90 years ago. Other Islamic State sources suggest that Rome might mean any infidel army, and the Americans will do nicely."
-----------------------------------------

And here is a key element in their prophesy:

"After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory."

So, believe it or not, in their belief, Jesus Christ will return to lead the Muslim armies to victory. So, it's the end times for them as it is for some Christian groups.
I said in another thread that "faith" is a terrible tool that religions use to cover up gaps in their logic and control the actions of their members. The churches teachings don't have to make logical sense because it is actually seen as a virtue to believe what you are told anyway, through faith. I know I didn't make any friends among the most ardent believers of the religion in question when I made my previous comment, but how could anyone watch the ISIS in Afghanistan video and not recognize how harmful that same concept is here? If it was possible to inject logic into this conversation victory would be easy.

Those poor brainwashed children are literally being taught that machine guns and hand grenades are tools of God, and that blowing themselves up is honorable. And it makes perfect sense that they would believe every word, and that our actions to defend ourselves only strengthen that belief. We are in for a very long fight that might be impossible to ever win or even to conclude. How do you ever make peace with an enemy whose goal is perpetual war?
 
I dunno man. I feel like I'm going off the deep end. Some of this **** bugs me to no end.

Dal, you are a good kid and I understand how you feel. I am sorry if I sometimes come around as a jerk as well and provoke some bad response. At the end of the day we all have real life outside of internet boards - some crazy busy **** is happening in my life as well and I had no time to even watch much of the Jazz games so far( to think few years ago I would hunt every game through streams or other internet sources lol).
Lets all have a group hug and sing Cumbaya.
 
I was thinking the same thing when he was questioning the teenage suicide bomber, and the kid finally just says "what can I say?". I'm thinking, hey man, drop the question already! Yeah, brave reporter and very lucky to walk out of there alive.

Here's an in depth look that interprets ISIS as a Medieval version of Islam. This article claims it's wrong not to understand that this is indeed Islam. That it's wrong to say "this isn't really Islam".
This view says it most certainly is, and the whole aim is to precipitate the apocalypse.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

...."The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal."

Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse. Western media frequently miss references to Dabiq in the Islamic State’s videos, and focus instead on lurid scenes of beheading. “Here we are, burying the first American crusader in Dabiq, eagerly waiting for the remainder of your armies to arrive,” said a masked executioner in a November video, showing the severed head of Peter (Abdul Rahman) Kassig, the aid worker who’d been held captive for more than a year. During fighting in Iraq in December, after mujahideen (perhaps inaccurately) reported having seen American soldiers in battle, Islamic State Twitter accounts erupted in spasms of pleasure, like overenthusiastic hosts or hostesses upon the arrival of the first guests at a party.

"The Prophetic narration that foretells the Dabiq battle refers to the enemy as Rome. Who “Rome” is, now that the pope has no army, remains a matter of debate. But Cerantonio makes a case that Rome meant the Eastern Roman empire, which had its capital in what is now Istanbul. We should think of Rome as the Republic of Turkey—the same republic that ended the last self-identified caliphate, 90 years ago. Other Islamic State sources suggest that Rome might mean any infidel army, and the Americans will do nicely."
-----------------------------------------

And here is a key element in their prophesy:

"After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory."

So, believe it or not, in their belief, Jesus Christ will return to lead the Muslim armies to victory. So, it's the end times for them as it is for some Christian groups.
Wow is that true about Jesus leading their army?
 
BTW, Dal, I've changed recently too. I went through a divorce. Most painful experience of my life. And other things that happened almost simultaneously nearly ruined me. It's been devastating for my relationships with my children in more ways than I can express. I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes along the way, but I definitely did not do anything deserving of putting me through this. At it's heart this whole miserable situation is the result of dishonesty. Little lies were told to me that became bigger and bigger and bigger. I feel like such a fool for not realizing what was going on earlier. I've learned a ton about narcissism, and the information has helped me regain my sanity. Anyway, the relevant part of that to this conversation is that my BS detector is now on ultra-high alert. I don't take **** from nobody.

There have been times I felt like I was going off the deep end too, as recently as this week, in fact. But I'm not going to let that happen and I know you won't either. You're a good guy, and you'll accomplish a lot in life if you remain willing to keep the lines of communication open. As a result from time to time you will change someone's mind, and from time to time you will find someone changing yours. Those are good things. Extremest on either end have one thing in common and that is that they are so committed to their positions that they refuse to ever honestly consider the POV of those with whom they disagree. Big mistake.
Thanks for sharing. Seriously.
Great post.
I like you even better than I already did for this post.
Good luck with everything.
 
Wow that's rough.. good on you for keeping at it and working it through, I do believe there's always a way out of any situation and sometimes surprisingly you come out better for it.


To borrow a line from a favourite movie of mine "Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not yet the end."
What movie? That's a cool line. I think I have heard it before but I can't place it
 
Just watched it as well. Cancer is right. I am blown away by the bravery of this reporter, and I'm absolutely stunned that he captured footage like this and succeed at getting it out of the country. When he kept questioning the suicide bomber kid about who was training him, and the kid clearly did not want to answer, I found myself thinking that this reporter's either has balls of steel, or he has a death wish.

The only potential positive I can see is that they clearly need money. Is there any way we could stop the flow? I know that it will be difficult, probably almost impossible, but we must find a way. We have got to learn who the actual leaders are and where the money is coming from. I cannot understand how an informed person could possibly say that global warming is currently a greater threat to our world than terrorism.

After watching this video I find myself wondering how much longer it's going to take until we learn how to build colonies in space.

Good points.
 
man, what a post. Joe Baggs, everyone.

Wow that's rough.. good on you for keeping at it and working it through, I do believe there's always a way out of any situation and sometimes surprisingly you come out better for it.


To borrow a line from a favourite movie of mine "Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not yet the end."

Thanks for sharing. Seriously.
Great post.
I like you even better than I already did for this post.
Good luck with everything.
Many thanks guyz.
 
Just watched it as well. Cancer is right...


...I cannot understand how an informed person could possibly say that global warming is currently a greater threat to our world than terrorism.

After watching this video I find myself wondering how much longer it's going to take until we learn how to build colonies in space.

probably best if we leave space to the space aliens!


And I'm not sure which I'd consider a bigger threat - terrorism or global warming. They seem too different to compare.
 
and aside from the religious fanaticism that drives some of the terrorists' behaviors, I think there is a lot of money, bribes and corruption in high places that keeps most of the population poor, frightened and angry and leads some of them to revolutionary ways of life


and I haven't had a chance to watch the Frontline video yet (it sounds incredible) but I also think a lot of folks get caught up in the movement not because or fervent religious beliefs, but because they have no choice - - they either go along or they (and their families) suffer - - they're in a "kill or be killed" situation
 
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