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BTP said:
I'd be willing to bet a fortune there will be no German troops on foreign soil in an "aggressive" capacity.
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Not every nation has to put troops on the ground. Having Germany as part of the coalition and providing ammo, intel and medical supplies helps. It shows a unified front. Same goes for Israel. I don't think them sending in armies is realistic or helpful.

Most of the troops on the ground should be ME armies. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.

France, Russia, America, Australia, Belgium, Britain... providing dramatic increase in airstrikes, financial and materiel support to the ground armies.

Canada, Germany, Israel, other EU nations (Italy and Spain for example) can provide medical support, intel and materiel (bullets, body armor...)
 
Stoked said:
Not every nation has to put troops on the ground. Having Germany as part of the coalition and providing ammo, intel and medical supplies helps. It shows a unified front. Same goes for Israel. I don't think them sending in armies is realistic or helpful.

Most of the troops on the ground should be ME armies. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.

France, Russia, America, Australia, Belgium, Britain... providing dramatic increase in airstrikes, financial and materiel support to the ground armies.

Canada, Germany, Israel, other EU nations (Italy and Spain for example) can provide medical support, intel and materiel (bullets, body armor...)
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Definitely. Intel support is the most crucial.

But only Middle Eastern people on the ground? Lol. Have you ever heard of emancipation proclamation?
 
addictionary said:
Definitely. Intel support is the most crucial.

But only Middle Eastern people on the ground? Lol. Have you ever heard of emancipation proclamation?
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I didn't say "only", I said "most".

I do not see troops from non-Muslim countries winning this problem if they take the lead. They will be foreigners and to an extent always have a element of being viewed as invaders and occupiers. I think this is dramatically lessened if not done away with ii it is troops from places like Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Not Russia, America and France.

Am I wrong, if so why?
 
Dr. Jones said:
There is something disturbing about these guys. They want to attack publicly and they want to target the innocent. They don't attack a police station. They don't attack public houses as much. They don't go after military bases. They don't go after infrastructures like shipping rocks or rail stations. It's odd. They want to kill mom's and kids watching the new Charlie Brown movie. I don't get it.
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They obviously want to hit us where it hurts the most and where we're most vulnerable.
 
Stoked said:
I didn't say "only", I said "most".

I do not see troops from non-Muslim countries winning this problem if they take the lead. They will be foreigners and to an extent always have a element of being viewed as invaders and occupiers. I think this is dramatically lessened if not done away with ii it is troops from places like Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Not Russia, America and France.

Am I wrong, if so why?
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Don't worry, if you will be there alongside countries like Turkey, Iran and Kurdish forces, no one will consider you invaders.
 
addictionary said:
Don't worry, if you will be there alongside countries like Turkey, Iran and Kurdish forces, no one will consider you invaders.
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You might possibly be right. I do think that the major countries outside the middle east need to have some presence. Maybe advisors and artillery and armored units for support? Along with heavy airstrikes, intel and materiel support.

But I still think that the middle eastern, Muslim armies need to be the primary presence on the ground. for a couple reasons:

1. Generates more public support from the citizenry there.

2. Better understanding of local customs, language...

3. Better perception from the world that Muslims are rejecting this, and similar, groups. That it is not indicative of Islam.

4. Lays ground work for future cooperation and integration among the middle eastern countries. There would be a frame work/precedent of working together for countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Something to hopefully build off of.

5. Could strengthen and make permanent the "Arab NATO" that Saudi Arabia leads.
 
I would love to see where the finances for ISIS are coming from. Which countries, government ties, if any mosques are sending money over, etc etc.

And I know I'm late to the party on this, but it's been a busy couple days so excuse me please. I have to say I disagree with the conservatives that don't want the refugees to come to the states. It's not because of any political reason I disagree, I actually think the political logic is decently sound, but as a Christian I just can't accept it. It's wrong. We have to help them, even if it may put us in a little more harm. It's just the right thing to do.
 
moevillini said:
I'm not sure how true this is. I remember several conversations I had a long time ago with Muslim colleagues of my husband's about the concept of free will. I'd don't think I have enough brain power to recall exactly what was said, but it boiled down to the idea that their concept of free will was radically different than mine. I was brought up with the belief that it is good to question things, but their background and belief system seemed to totally preclude any questioning of what they consider to be God's word or God's will.
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The appropriateness of questioning your faith isn't something specific to the faith itself-- it's specific to the culture in which the faith is practiced.

I come from a Muslim-majority nation in southeast Rurope where healthy dialogue has always been encouraged in this regard. theres other nations, and entire canons of texts across Islamic history that do the same
 
Howard said:
I would love to see where the finances for ISIS are coming from. Which countries, government ties, if any mosques are sending money over, etc etc.

And I know I'm late to the party on this, but it's been a busy couple days so excuse me please. I have to say I disagree with the conservatives that don't want the refugees to come to the states. It's not because of any political reason I disagree, I actually think the political logic is decently sound, but as a Christian I just can't accept it. It's wrong. We have to help them, even if it may put us in a little more harm. It's just the right thing to do.
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This.
 
Howard said:
I would love to see where the finances for ISIS are coming from. Which countries, government ties, if any mosques are sending money over, etc etc.
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It's ****ing infuriating man-- because people are coming forward and saying it's coming from the gulf states. Yes, the states we are FREAKING allied with. It's brutal. If there is one nation I hate more than every other in this world, it is Saudi Arabia. Absolutely reprehensible.

And I know I'm late to the party on this, but it's been a busy couple days so excuse me please. I have to say I disagree with the conservatives that don't want the refugees to come to the states. It's not because of any political reason I disagree, I actually think the political logic is decently sound, but as a Christian I just can't accept it. It's wrong. We have to help them, even if it may put us in a little more harm. It's just the right thing to do.
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God bless you man. I honestly got chills as I read that. It shows that you took this verse to heart :)

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.
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Stoked said:
Not every nation has to put troops on the ground. Having Germany as part of the coalition and providing ammo, intel and medical supplies helps. It shows a unified front. Same goes for Israel. I don't think them sending in armies is realistic or helpful.

Most of the troops on the ground should be ME armies. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.

France, Russia, America, Australia, Belgium, Britain... providing dramatic increase in airstrikes, financial and materiel support to the ground armies.

Canada, Germany, Israel, other EU nations (Italy and Spain for example) can provide medical support, intel and materiel (bullets, body armor...)
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Even smart Arabs are saying that they are the ones that need to lead this fight.


Oh, and for the record--- no refugee in American history since 2000 has been accused of an act of terrorism.


"But the Tsarn--"

They were Asylees, who a) aren't the same, and b) go through a much, much less strict back checking in order to reside here
 
dalamon said:
It's ****ing infuriating man-- because people are coming forward and saying it's coming from the gulf states. Yes, the states we are FREAKING allied with. It's brutal. If there is one nation I hate more than every other in this world, it is Saudi Arabia. Absolutely reprehensible.



God bless you man. I honestly got chills as I read that. It shows that you took this verse to heart :)
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Did you post that verse earlier? If so I didn't see it, but yes it is one that's been hitting me recently. How could I dare try to witness to these people if I won't even let them into my home?
 
Howard said:
I would love to see where the finances for ISIS are coming from. Which countries, government ties, if any mosques are sending money over, etc etc.

And I know I'm late to the party on this, but it's been a busy couple days so excuse me please. I have to say I disagree with the conservatives that don't want the refugees to come to the states. It's not because of any political reason I disagree, I actually think the political logic is decently sound, but as a Christian I just can't accept it. It's wrong. We have to help them, even if it may put us in a little more harm. It's just the right thing to do.
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ISIS would love it if each and every Westerner turned against the refugees. Just as they want the West to somehow "declare war on Islam". Targeting Syrian refugees, either directly, or by turning them back, is exactly what our enemy wants. I sure hate to give my enemy what he wants.
 
Apparently a soccer game is Germany was cancelled due to a bomb threat and now an AirFrance flight was diverted to Salt Lake after taking of from LA headed to France due to a bomb threat. **** is getting very real.
 
The news just broke through TV saying that a 2nd Air France plane has grounded in Canada. Good Lord...
 
Boko Haram just killed 32 people in Nigeria. They are a 'caliphate" of this main group.

Russia is admitting that their downed airliner from a week or two ago is from a planted bomb by this group.

French police conducted two raids that resulted in firefights. 5 injured police, 1 killed police dog, 7 arrested, half dozen explosions. French authorities said they raided at the right time as they barely avoided the group initiating its plan.

Last Thursday two bombs went off in Beirut that killed over 40 people.

A suicide bomber blew himself up in Gaziantep, Turkey and seriously injured 5 police officers. Turkey has conducted several raids that have led to multiple arrests.

Global terrorism has risen by 80% in 2014. While most attacks are in 5 countries (Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Nigeria) the # of countries falling victim to attacks is spreading. Since 2000 only 05% of deaths from these groups have occurred on Western soil.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/world/global-terror-report/index.html
 
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