RJF
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Nevermind the kitchen sink, use the whole ****ing kitchen...
Paul George
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Nevermind the kitchen sink, use the whole ****ing kitchen...
Miggs
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Right. But we'd be offering two additional 1sts, three players all of whom have value, and be taking back a bad contract. The question is just how much value those players have to Chicago.
If Boston says no, I may have to consider that if I'm Chicago.
Chicago is in no rush to trade him. Do you not get that? He is only available if someone can offer a top draft pick ,like Boston can. IDK why it's hard for you to understand that 1 five star asset >>>> a bunch of ok assets.
Chance at Markelle Fultz > A bunch of OK assets while you are in the midst of being bad for a couple of years
Miggs
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I do understand that. What I also understand is that there is no guarantee that the Brooklyn pick will be #1 or even #2 for that matter and that even if it was guaranteed, that there is no guarantee that Fultz will be the Messiah for the Celtics. Furthermore, I understand that players have different values to different franchises and that the Bulls may really value Exum, and/or Hood, and/or Favors as maybe not only future core pieces but also as assets that they could flip for more 1sts. But yes, it's Fultz or bust and having four 1sts in the deepest draft maybe ever is worthless. Favors is worthless. Hood is worthless. Exum is as well. As is dumping that pain in the *** Rondo.
The Bulls arent looking to trade Jimmy for anything less than a top 3 pick.
green
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Going along with this, there isn't a huge need for Boston to make any trade either. Odds are, they aren't beating Cleveland and GS. So, they can wait until the season ends, get feelers out to Gordon Hayward and see if he wants to sign there. If they feel they can get Hayward, then they keep the picks, draft a great player, add Hayward and move forward.
If it looks like Hayward is staying in Utah, then they make the trade with Chicago.
There is no rush for Chicago to do anything.
Disagree there. There is a lot of pressure on Boston to make this trade. Look at Cleveland w/ Love having injury issues this year. There is a window to take advantage of Cleveland this year, getting home-court advantage and beating them in the playoffs.
green
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Not really. No one expects Boston to win it all this year. With LeBron aging and GS's cap situation, Boston's window is in the future, not this year.
You know Boston has already said they are willing to trade teh Brooklyn pick for Jimmy, right? The only thing in the way is they dont want to let go of Crowder, trying to play hardball to see if Chicago folds. That is why there is pressure on Ainge because Chicago has the leverge atm because they dont have to deal Jimmy now. Boston, if they want to take advantage of Cleveland looking weak this year, does.
Disagree completely their window is now. They could easily beat Cleveland and it's anyone's game when you get to the Finals. There is a ton of pressure on Ainge right now, you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Best movie is to get Jimmy for Crowder/Nets/Boston pick and then go get in the finals. Then they have the 2018 Brooklyn pick to add more young talent. Would be foolish to let Jae Crowder stand in the way of getting Jimmy Butler.
Crowder likely will come off the bench anyway if Butler is there in BOS.
No idea what this is suppose to mean in the context of what we are talking about.
No ****.
The Jazz cannot afford 3 max players plus a bunch of above mid-level contracts in JJ, Favors, Burks, & Hill, plus the bench rounding out contracts of Exum (five mill), Hood, Lyles, and even Whithey's minimum.
Utah has no cap room to sign PG. The cap holds are too onerous for them to become even remotely eligible to have a sit down with anyone of PG's caliber this summer.
Combine No **** with no affordability and you get what you now have: a team going nowhere with no chance of improvement outside of some drastic shot of luck or taking a huge Bird's rights chance like this.
So if Butler is playing say 42 minutes a night, Crowder is sort of expendable.
Isaiah 1:13
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I really don't understand all this interest in small forwards (George, Butler). We have a pretty good one in Gordon Hayward, remember him? Are we assuming he's going to leave, already? Let Boston get Butler and forget about Hayward. Let the Lakers take George and decimate their assets in doing so. I don't want the guy that helped run Hill out of town.
Uhhh, no player plays 42 minutes a night. Crowder would still be extremely useful even with Butler and he could be traded to a different team if they wanted. It's just the Celtics playing hardball, it's Ainge's M.O.
Because there is this team called the Warriors who have 3 all-star SF sized players who have to be countered in some way. SF is the most versatile position in the NBA. You can have as many as you want and you can use them all.
Isaiah 1:13
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Totally different team with a totally different philosophy. San Antonio is our model and they only have one.
Because they could only get 1. If they could get Paul George or Jimmy Butler they would. You work with the cards you are dealt. If the cards you are dealt can get you Butler/George, then go for it (though I wouldn't go for it on George because it's too risky he wouldnt sign here).
green
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You just like to bitch, don't you? My god, I agreed with you and you go picking fights. Dude...lol.