MoreFeasts
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Carolina makes a good observation.
Playoffs have sucked
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Yeah, and he was getting fouled the entire time on his way to the basket -- I think it was Allen guarding him and he was bodying up on him the whole time.
The Thriller
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Actually, it didnt. It's good to finally see competitive basketball. I just wonder if this game would have been different had Rudy Gay been playing? Prince is basically a non-factor offensively.
MoreFeasts
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No, I wouldn't say that. Paul did push off hard with his elbow to create space, maybe that is the contact you are referring to.
b_line
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At least he didn't do this more than a few times during that game... stupid flopper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SOCNxCzb1I
carolinajazz
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...fouled on the way to the basket? The defensive clown didn't have a chance to foul him! He blew by him so fast after picking up his dribble and then hesitating, then dribbling again! Watch the replay again.
b_line
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just watched it again, he didnt pick the ball up. in the nba today, you can basically put your hand underneath the ball, and its not a carry. Watch D Will highlights, he does it all the time. I think they could have gotten CP3 for pushing off, but the defender was making a lot of contact as well. I think the bad calls came earlier in the game, when Chris Paul was flopping, and they called Marc Gasol for a travel for doing the same thing Chris Paul does every time down the court and hesitating with the dribble a little bit. If the Clips win the series, its because Chris Paul and Blake Griffin get superstar calls, or non calls when they foul, and get away with things.
carolinajazz
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...I know they "do it all the time!" It's just not called. It's a palming violation EVERY TIME it's done but the refs turn the other way and never call it....unless it's so flagrant that they have no choice but to call it when the player who does it, gives the ball to the ref and says: "Yeah, I palmed the ball!"
b_line
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I think they actually changed the rule on it, as long as the ball is moving, its ok. I guess they tried to crack down on what they call the "discontinue dribble" but that didn't really work. That is what you saw Chris Paul do twice in the drive last night. I read something on it that said "when the natural movement of dribbling the basketball stops" thats when it is a violation. Obviously they stopped paying attention to that in making the calls. It sucks, because how is a defender supposed to stay with the dribbler when he acts like he is stopping the dribble, then all of a sudden is able to blow by him because he palmed the ball and didn't actually stop the dribble? That is why CP3 was able to make the game winning shot. Blame it on Allen Iverson. Here is one article about it: https://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/10/19/will-rule-change-suddenly-change/
green
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There are two keys to parody:
1 - HARD salary cap. Every team is now on even ground.
2 - Non-guaranteed contracts. You can't have a hard cap without the ability to get rid of under performing players.
Also, if you get rid of non-guaranteed contracts, you get rid of some of the "tanking" as well. Players won't be so ready to tank if they know that they will get cut for tanking.
MoreFeasts
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parity, not parody
b_line
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maybe it was a parody of the leagues parity?
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andre miller with old skool moves schooling all the young cats ! 
carolinajazz
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...first of all, EXCELLENT find on that article! Thank you very much! And your assessment of what they are actually doing (palming) is exactly what I've been saying for years! However, the "originator" of "legally" palming the ball dates way back before Iverson! It was Earl "the Pearl" Monroe that started it, perfected it, and then the refs failed to call it.....that has brought us to the point we are now in all leagues of basketball, including pop warner, YMCA, schoolyard, College and the Pro game! It gave the offensive player a distinct advantage over the defender and therefore caused the defender to develop the "hand check" which was subsequently deepsixed to keep the offense ahead of the defense! Some of the excellent points made by the writer of that article are as follows:
"Iverson violated every dribble rule in the book to gain an unfair advantage on his defender.....Now players are lifting the ball for a split second, and just as the defender thinks the player is about to stop dribbling, that player continues his dribble, clearly gaining an advantage because the defender is now off-balance. Phil Jackson calls it the “discontinue dribble” and it is rarely enforced. It got so bad that today, they actually teach “palming” (ahem, crossover) to little kids. Yes, pretty soon, an entire generation began lifting the ball, pulling the ball, dragging the ball, everything but legally dribbling the ball. And the high schools and colleges looked the other way. Eventually, so did the NBA. The league really needs to uphold the basic rules Dr. James Naismith created. Send a message to teenagers that palming will not be allowed on the highest level. And while you’re at it, clean up traveling, too (the two-steps-and-bunny-hop is especially insulting to the memory of Dr. James). And treat these obvious violations the same, whether the game is a minute old or there’s a minute left. The game will survive, because players will simply adjust, if they want to get paid.
And just think: calling players for palming will really get them steamed at the refs."
carolinajazz
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....here's a comment from another guy after reading the same article! I concur with him 100%!
"I think the rules should be changed or enforced not just enforced when the refs feel like it or mad at someone or superstar treatment etc… So many argue that today’s players are so much better, nah they just don’t play by the rules."
"I think the rules should be changed or enforced not just enforced when the refs feel like it or mad at someone or superstar treatment etc… So many argue that today’s players are so much better, nah they just don’t play by the rules."
If Jazzfanz were Rockets' fans (I know, a sick and twisted thought), how many threads would there be calling for McHale's head for not playing the 5th overall pick and 18th overall pick a single minute in the 2nd game of the playoffs?
At least Jefferson and Millsap are border-line All-Stars who play bigger minutes over our 1st round youngin's, the Rockets have Greg Smith playing over theirs.
At least Jefferson and Millsap are border-line All-Stars who play bigger minutes over our 1st round youngin's, the Rockets have Greg Smith playing over theirs.
Hotdog
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I'm not a Rockets fan but I do wonder why he doesn't play the 18th pick that much. Not so much the 5th pick because I think the 18th pick is better than the 5th pick right now.
MoreFeasts
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Beverly started and played well tonight. He's the 2nd lowest paid guy on the Houston roster. Why didn't the Jazz pick this guy up?
