Joe Bagadonuts
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No way does he believe half the crap he says. The Corbin love is so odd.
Please fire Snyder and get a real coach in the summer
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At least Exum was in the NBA at 19 years old and starting on a team that went 19 -10 with him starting AND led the NBA with the least pts allowed when he was a starter .How many 19 year old PG's in NBA history have done that. It gets tiresome seeing you constantly sh**ting on a 19 year old about not being star status offensively at 19 years old when you NEVER show how other 19 year old starters in NBA history did so much better. Show some f**ken stats to show more 3pters made than Exums (83) or had the court time and balls enough to take (264)3 pters at 19 in NBA history.
You don't excel at 19 years old playing defense against stud PG's unless your pretty damn special athletically ,granted he's been hurt ,but seems the Jazz have enormous confidence in this kid to be special.
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Corbin did not have the players respect or the ability or flexibility to adapt to in game situations. He ran the old Jazz offense, albeit not well. I watched him coach in SL and saw it then. Corbin was not the future, I wholeheartedly disagree with Frank on that.
However, Quin's offense is not good. I encourage anyone to watch old Jazz games from 01 to 2009(post hand check/illegal d era for fair comparison) to see how many easy, wide open shots our offense created. I'd recommend games from the 05-06 season when are roster was not good. Then watch Snyder's offense and tell me if you are really happy with what it creates. I am impressed with Hayward and Hood's ability to score and break down defenses one on one, which they have to with these sets.
However, Quin's offense is not good. I encourage anyone to watch old Jazz games from 01 to 2009(post hand check/illegal d era for fair comparison) to see how many easy, wide open shots our offense created. I'd recommend games from the 05-06 season when are roster was not good. Then watch Snyder's offense and tell me if you are really happy with what it creates. I am impressed with Hayward and Hood's ability to score and break down defenses one on one, which they have to with these sets.
LifeOnaPlate
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I have a hard time imagining anyone would spend so much time pretending to like Corbin just to be annoying. I believe franklin is either serious it in need of a better hobby.
Injuries are a poor excuse.
The Jazz have had one ONE good stretch this season, against weak teams and on a 6 game home stretch. We haven't been better than 5-5 in a 10 game stretch all season. Before injury and after.
Corbin's offense maximized the talent he had. I proved this statistically with specific play stats back then. We complained about it, and it was hard to watch, but at the end of the season he was visionary in his play calling and rotation build. How can anyone argue with that?
Also hate how you say he didn't have the respect of the players because he benched that bitch Roger Braille. The best decision he ever made.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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His job was to develop the young players. He wasn't being judged by victories, but again and again he buried the young players beneath vets who meant nothing to this team's future. He proved himself completely incapable of seeing the big picture. And was there ever a worse post game interview? If so, I haven't heard it. He was unlistenable. It was nothing but cliche and platitude in pure monotone. I'll bet the players felt the same way.
None of this fan speculation and ranting is true.
LifeOnaPlate
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Good point. Teams need no time to gel together. If someone comes back from a injury they should automatically be at peak physical condition. You sir are a basketball genius. Corbin forever.
He sacrificed the team's defensive development to showcase what he could do with subpar vets.
The front office made it clear they wanted a team with a defensive identity. If that's a stupid goal then it's the FOs fault for having a stupid goal.
Corbin refused to work towards that goal. He was stupid. The Jazz organization would have been loyal to him had he been loyal to them. He tried to use his opportunity as Utah's head coach to build a resume for his next head coaching gig.
Obviously he was coaching with a foot out the door or else he would have, for better or worse, done what the front office told him to do.
So here we are, with a new head coach and an offense that looks like trash most nights. But did this head coach develop a defensive identity? Yes he did. He did what he was asked to do. If that is bad then it's on the front office, because they got what they asked for.
I hope that having developed this team's defensive identity, as requested, the team will have more faith in Quin and let him take the next step in whatever direction he wants.
The front office made it clear they wanted a team with a defensive identity. If that's a stupid goal then it's the FOs fault for having a stupid goal.
Corbin refused to work towards that goal. He was stupid. The Jazz organization would have been loyal to him had he been loyal to them. He tried to use his opportunity as Utah's head coach to build a resume for his next head coaching gig.
Obviously he was coaching with a foot out the door or else he would have, for better or worse, done what the front office told him to do.
So here we are, with a new head coach and an offense that looks like trash most nights. But did this head coach develop a defensive identity? Yes he did. He did what he was asked to do. If that is bad then it's on the front office, because they got what they asked for.
I hope that having developed this team's defensive identity, as requested, the team will have more faith in Quin and let him take the next step in whatever direction he wants.
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Good post, Gameface. I think Ty overestimated his place in the organization and the loyalty that Gail and Greg would show him. IIRC, there were articles stating it was a very hard choice by the Millers to let him go. That tells me had he sat down with Greg and DL early on, defined his game plan and carried it out, his job may have been safe. Not sure even Pops could have won 5 additional games with that train wreck of a team. DL purposely gave Ty a terrible bench.
I guess in Ty's (and franklin's) defense, any team with Kanter was going to be a disaster defensively. Ty was set up to fail - and he did. His mistake was being too arrogant. I remember him being condescending a few times with the media.
By contrast, look what Quin did before season #1 - brought in the media for a P&R clinic, IINM. Seems like he and Dennis are on the same page. Then again, I think you can expect that. Dennis didn't hire Ty; KOC did. GM's want to pick their own guys.
I guess in Ty's (and franklin's) defense, any team with Kanter was going to be a disaster defensively. Ty was set up to fail - and he did. His mistake was being too arrogant. I remember him being condescending a few times with the media.
By contrast, look what Quin did before season #1 - brought in the media for a P&R clinic, IINM. Seems like he and Dennis are on the same page. Then again, I think you can expect that. Dennis didn't hire Ty; KOC did. GM's want to pick their own guys.
That's complete speculation, J. Think like a business person. What would you have done after Boozer left and then the D-Will blow-up when a whole lot of fans thought there was championship potential?
The way I see it, the Jazz needed to win while also developing young talent in order to sell something to fans. Corbin developed young talent just fine. How did he not? Hayward and everyone else under his tutelage are doing just fine. The playing time theory is nonsense outside of the idea of figuring out how your players work together. The development of these players alone has proven that (Gobert and Favors in particular).
He also tried numerous things on defense to hide Al Jefferson's liabilities. Reference the Bill Simmons article and such.
Then he had to play the #3 draft pick over Gobert. We all know how that went.
Final point. The "subpar vets" were much better than what was currently developing. The Millers had to win to sell tickets at that time, regardless of what lifelong fans wanted. Fans got sick of it and the Jazz finally went into rebuild mold as the fans were chanting for. However, they still had assets to attempt a return on and were stuck. Corbin got fired over it.
You ignored the pre-injury record. Good job becoming condescending. Please do put me on ignore; I don't read posters with your attitude anyway.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Is it speculation that I think he was more boring than listening to paint dry?
You're right that it is speculation to a large degree, but the front office did say publicly numerous times that they were not evaluating Corbin based on wins and losses but on his ability to develop a defensive identity. They said that much publicly. I can only speculate on what they discussed with Corbin privately and also what they really considered before letting him go. But I do know that he didn't develop a defensive identity. Maybe that would have been impossible with the roster he had to work with, but from my couch it didn't look like he was willing to even try.
That is what they said, to their fan base.
Is it too much speculation to believe they asked him to do his best developing Kanter (and to a lesser extent Alec), while also trying to win, and also possibly telling him he would become the fall guy? I can't believe they honestly wanted him to build a defensive identity with Kanter and the crew he had.
He was obviously the fall guy about mid-way through his second season. Why wouldn't the Jazz play that up to the highest extent to a fan base? Fans constantly need something to feed their enthusiasm. Enter Quin Snyder's Shrine.