Please fire Snyder and get a real coach in the summer
- Thread starter JimLes
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Umm.....
How does he still have his job? seriously
Serious question: Is Hornacek a better coach than Snyder?
I don't think this is Quin's fault. I think the reality is that we have a bunch of guys with offensive deficiencies. Only a couple guys on the team can create offense for themselves and others--Hood and Hayward, and those guys are getting game-planned for by the other teams.
The Jazz aren't going to win games like Portland and Houston because we don't have players like Damian Lillard and James Harden. Simple as that.
Watching our PGs trying to run an offense and trying to hit even open shots was painful tonight. Favors and Gobert can't really score without being set up. Hood and Hayward are the best offensive players we have, and they're streaky. If and when they get rolling the Jazz can build a lead, but once the bench players come in, and once the other team clamps down defensively, the Jazz can't compete. That's the trend.
The Jazz aren't going to win games like Portland and Houston because we don't have players like Damian Lillard and James Harden. Simple as that.
Watching our PGs trying to run an offense and trying to hit even open shots was painful tonight. Favors and Gobert can't really score without being set up. Hood and Hayward are the best offensive players we have, and they're streaky. If and when they get rolling the Jazz can build a lead, but once the bench players come in, and once the other team clamps down defensively, the Jazz can't compete. That's the trend.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Why is everyone so mad at Quin? It's Dennis Lindsey who has provided Snyder with the dregs of the league to populate the bench.
LIndseyBegone.
LIndseyBegone.
You're in the wrong place. Kindly move over to the "Please fire Lindsay and get a real GM in the summer" thread. Thank You.
Jamezz
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Keep climbing the ladder. Who hired Dennis? And so on... I blame it on Pope Francis.
"Please fire Francis and get a real pontiff in the summer"
MeloTheJazzKiller
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Uhh, do you want this guy?
Quit complaining, you may discover (like us Knick fans) that it can actually get worse.
Quit complaining, you may discover (like us Knick fans) that it can actually get worse.
To all Quin's apologizers. Quin appreciates all those players that bring energy on the court and are positive locker room presence and don't have other significant skills. This is the reason why Booker, Ingles and Chris Johnson are getting enough minutes and they are Quin's pets. This is one of the reasons why I'm still not convinced by him as a Nba coach.
I think Quin was ok with the current roster, otherwise he would have pressed DL to improve the bench.
I think Quin was ok with the current roster, otherwise he would have pressed DL to improve the bench.
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Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I think after one season, you are pretty loyal to the GM who hired you. If you're Jerry Sloan, you're the tail that wags the dog. If you're Quin Snyder, you agree with everything the boss says.
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The reason Booker, Ingles, and Chris Johnson get minutes is because Quin has literally no other choice. You can maybe argue shifting more of Booker's minutes to Lyles, but that makes a fairly negligible difference. Same thing with the Burke/Mack trade off - both guys suck.
With the injuries and what not, we typically only have 3 or 4 NBA caliber players. And we start out games consistently strong - things don't fall apart until starters have to play with bench players.
It's not Quin's fault we have no depth.
Yes accepting a terrible bench it allows Quin to lower the expectations, justify the losses and keep his head coach position.
Jazz offensive system is unwatchable, is this DL fault too?
Mack sucks more than Burke, that's for sure.
Then tell me who decided to take Ingles? It means Quin appreciate him. Same goes with Chris Johnson. They could cut these players and find easily better players both in Europe or D-League. Ingles didn't prove himself in Europe either. Quin appreciates players with their intangibles. The locker room can be healthy and united but it does not always translate into winning games.
Let's not forget that Quin was playing Booker over Kanter in many situations last season.
It's not just Snyder! This is the problem:
Snyder-Very intelligent, but lacks the discipline of holding players accountable. Sometimes you need to call out players publicly to get them to play to their full potential. Sometimes you need to freak out! especially when the refs are screwing us.
Favors- he is very talented but lacks the fire to be special. He has no attitude and plays like a shy little boy half the time.
Gobert- He's got the right attitude, size and is a rebound machine. Problem is he's got no offensive skills. He doesn't have even a 10-15 foot shot, he seems clumsy and week when he's in traffic and or driving to the hoop. His hands are soft and week. the results are not enough scoring and a lot of turnovers.
Hayward- He's our best player and a max contract guy. He doesn't play like a max contract guy! He's an awesome number two option guy, not a max player. His biggest problem is he's passive at times and looses the ball a lot when he becomes the dribbler.
Mack- overhyped, he's honestly our third best point guard and for whatever reason was thrown into the starting role. He has shown his ability to be a slasher/floater type scorer, but for the past 4 games his confidence has been shattered. he's not a starter period! He cant buy a shot and so he's not even looking to be a scorer anymore.
Neto- He plays with fire and might be our best point guard at this point. But he lacks the ability to score from mid-short range. It looks like he's trying to find a fall away shot from his search dribble, But for whatever reason he cant get it to go down...EVER! Lets call it as it is, he's a solid number three point guard and an average number two!
Burke- Disappointing to say the least! He really just needs to accept that he's not an NBA starter and a hell of a good backup. He'll never be a starter, not matter what team he ends up on next season. With that said, he's the best point guard we have this year. Why don't the coaches and management just make him the starter for hell sake? We would be better off at least for this year!
Hood- Has all the scoring talent in the world, but is soft and injury prone. It seems like every 3-4 games he's out with an injury or is sick ect... Grow a pair and play through pain man! we need you out there!
Booker, Lyles, Burks- Are all good players and are flashy at times. But lack consistency. They are and always will be great off the bench. They are not the problem, they're just not our go to guys.
Whithey, Ingles, Johnson and Pleiss- They are all D league players and are killing us in every category when they're on the court. These guys are one of our biggest problems!
Management (Miller family)- It used to be when the team needed a boost Larry H. Miller used to call his players out publicly and handle situations with force. He never let his teams/players slack off. He was hands on because it was his passion. He built the Jazz from the ground up! I just don't see that fire anymore. The Millers are great people and have done a lot for this state, I just wish there was a form of ownership that was actually emotional about his team and held their players, coaches, GM's accountable for not performing. The house that Larry built should mean something to all that's employed there. It's ok to demand effort on every play and in every category of this team.
Snyder-Very intelligent, but lacks the discipline of holding players accountable. Sometimes you need to call out players publicly to get them to play to their full potential. Sometimes you need to freak out! especially when the refs are screwing us.
Favors- he is very talented but lacks the fire to be special. He has no attitude and plays like a shy little boy half the time.
Gobert- He's got the right attitude, size and is a rebound machine. Problem is he's got no offensive skills. He doesn't have even a 10-15 foot shot, he seems clumsy and week when he's in traffic and or driving to the hoop. His hands are soft and week. the results are not enough scoring and a lot of turnovers.
Hayward- He's our best player and a max contract guy. He doesn't play like a max contract guy! He's an awesome number two option guy, not a max player. His biggest problem is he's passive at times and looses the ball a lot when he becomes the dribbler.
Mack- overhyped, he's honestly our third best point guard and for whatever reason was thrown into the starting role. He has shown his ability to be a slasher/floater type scorer, but for the past 4 games his confidence has been shattered. he's not a starter period! He cant buy a shot and so he's not even looking to be a scorer anymore.
Neto- He plays with fire and might be our best point guard at this point. But he lacks the ability to score from mid-short range. It looks like he's trying to find a fall away shot from his search dribble, But for whatever reason he cant get it to go down...EVER! Lets call it as it is, he's a solid number three point guard and an average number two!
Burke- Disappointing to say the least! He really just needs to accept that he's not an NBA starter and a hell of a good backup. He'll never be a starter, not matter what team he ends up on next season. With that said, he's the best point guard we have this year. Why don't the coaches and management just make him the starter for hell sake? We would be better off at least for this year!
Hood- Has all the scoring talent in the world, but is soft and injury prone. It seems like every 3-4 games he's out with an injury or is sick ect... Grow a pair and play through pain man! we need you out there!
Booker, Lyles, Burks- Are all good players and are flashy at times. But lack consistency. They are and always will be great off the bench. They are not the problem, they're just not our go to guys.
Whithey, Ingles, Johnson and Pleiss- They are all D league players and are killing us in every category when they're on the court. These guys are one of our biggest problems!
Management (Miller family)- It used to be when the team needed a boost Larry H. Miller used to call his players out publicly and handle situations with force. He never let his teams/players slack off. He was hands on because it was his passion. He built the Jazz from the ground up! I just don't see that fire anymore. The Millers are great people and have done a lot for this state, I just wish there was a form of ownership that was actually emotional about his team and held their players, coaches, GM's accountable for not performing. The house that Larry built should mean something to all that's employed there. It's ok to demand effort on every play and in every category of this team.
Why are you criticizing Quin Snyder for not doing Dennis Lindsey's job.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Simply not true to begin the season. Quin stuck with Enes as the starter for a LONG time. But for those who claim Quin doesn't hold players accountable, that's EXACTLY what he did with Enes. Kanter's minutes started to slide once it was evident Enes was never going to give effort defensively.
Quin has a lot of faults as a coach. But he can't run the point, he isn't on the court missing shot after shot. Snyder would look a lot smarter if Lindsey would give him legit NBA players to work with, especially off the bench. Lyles isn't ready for minutes; Johnson and Ingles are trash. Not sure why, as Joe actually played ok last season. Booker has been largely ineffective. And who does he bring in at PG: Curly, Mo or Larry?
I simply want to say the coach and the GM they surely consult to complete and improve the roster. I guess Quin agreed to trade for Mack. The fact that he put him immediately in the starting lineup and gave him a special treatment, confirms it.
There is another consideration, we fans we always want the playoffs. In the last seasons the management cared more about developing young players combined with mid-round draft picks to improve the roster. The Jazz are tanking indirectly since they hired Lindsey.
I think this season objective was to develop further the young players and trying to make the playoffs but Exum injury probably changed their plans. Otherwise they would have spent money to take a competitive point guard and they would have improved their bench depth to reach the playoffs. In litte words another wasted season hoping to get a good draft pick.
Next season will be crucial both for DL and Quin. I miss Jerry Sloan times!
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