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Point Guard Contingency Plan - Summer of 2017

Saint Cy of JFC said:
You know when a player says he wants a long-term deal that means he wants a long-term deal at the price he wants, not just any deal, right?
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And what would his price have been last fall? I'd assume, and granted, I don't have the best knowledge with this, that it would be in the ball park of what we signed Gobert to.

That looks like a bargain now.
 
green said:
I disagree. Teague stated over and over again he wanted to do a long term deal when he was traded. Ind hasn't done it yet, because of contract issues with George (wanting to extend/re-sign him).

We could have extended Teague the day after we aquired him. But, it now looks like both Ind and Utah will have to fork out big bucks to keep their PG's.

At least you can understand Ind...they were trying to keep George. Utah? Just cheap. Trying to outsmart the rest of the league.
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I don't know if they're cheap or rather Hill is a better fit in Utah. Hill is longer, a better defender, and a better shooter.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I don't know if they're cheap or rather Hill is a better fit in Utah. Hill is longer, a better defender, and a better shooter.
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Eh. Look at what Utah's done since forever. They've always taken the cheaper route.

Look at it this way: If we would have traded for Teague instead of Hill, and extended Teague, we'd have a player with similar PER, similar TS%, Teague has a lower usage rate, Teague is a much better passer, Teague has a better win share, etc.

Hill was a mistake. We'd probably be at 40+ wins right now if we had traded for Teague and if we had traded for Teague and extended him, we'd have our PG for 10 million less.
 
green said:
Eh. Look at what Utah's done since forever. They've always taken the cheaper route.

Look at it this way: If we would have traded for Teague instead of Hill, and extended Teague, we'd have a player with similar PER, similar TS%, Teague has a lower usage rate, Teague is a much better passer, Teague has a better win share, etc.

Hill was a mistake. We'd probably be at 40+ wins right now if we had traded for Teague and if we had traded for Teague and extended him, we'd have our PG for 10 million less.
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I think for the Jazz we've always longed for a long player (punn intended) for rebounding and defense. DL mentioned this all the time on his podcast. And Teague just isn't that long.



It's kinda like when we chose Dwill over CP3, it wasn't because we were being cheap (they would have cost the same), but it's what the FO thinks is a better fit for the team & system/better prospect, etc.
 
green said:
Eh. Look at what Utah's done since forever. They've always taken the cheaper route.

Look at it this way: If we would have traded for Teague instead of Hill, and extended Teague, we'd have a player with similar PER, similar TS%, Teague has a lower usage rate, Teague is a much better passer, Teague has a better win share, etc.

Hill was a mistake. We'd probably be at 40+ wins right now if we had traded for Teague and if we had traded for Teague and extended him, we'd have our PG for 10 million less.
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I'm not sure why you think Teague's contract is going to be much different than Hill's. They will probably get nearly the exact same contract.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think for the Jazz we've always longed for a long player (punn intended) for rebounding and defense. DL mentioned this all the time on his podcast. And Teague just isn't that long.



It's kinda like when we chose Dwill over CP3, it wasn't because we were being cheap (they would have cost the same), but it's what the FO thinks is a better fit for the team & system/better prospect, etc.
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That's fine. I don't disagree. Teague is the better player. I said that from day one. Maybe, instead of trying to out smart everyone, go get the best player.

If we had done that, we'd be sitting with a lot more wins, our core locked up, and battling it out for the third seed in the West and Boston would have traded for Butler.

But, instead, we are sitting here with the option of resigning an old, oft injured PG to a ridiculous contract and then losing Hayward to Boston. Or, let the PG go and definitely, most likely lose Hayward.

We've done some things so well...then you go back and look at some pretty obvious things we could have done and we didn't to save a couple of bucks...it's disappointing.
 
Since Greedy George Hill is gunning for the max this offseason, I say we completely shift our target to Jrue. Plan B is hoping that GreedyG's and Teague's values plummet, Plan C is signing DWill, Plan D is rolling with Dante and drafting a PG, Plan E is trading our assets for a PG if they're on the block like Bledsoe or Lin or something
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think for the Jazz we've always longed for a long player (punn intended) for rebounding and defense. DL mentioned this all the time on his podcast. And Teague just isn't that long.



It's kinda like when we chose Dwill over CP3, it wasn't because we were being cheap (they would have cost the same), but it's what the FO thinks is a better fit for the team & system/better prospect, etc.
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Completely false. Jeff Teague's wingspan at the combine was 6'7½" that's longer than many SG's and comparable to Hayward and Hood.
 
green said:
What would have Teague's extension been had he signed before the new CBA?
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The new CBA has no effect on what Teague or Hill's extension will be. They both can get the same, they have been in the NBA about the same # of years (year apart at most).

Do you do any research before spouting off?
 
PG_AB said:
Completely false. Jeff Teague's wingspan at the combine was 6'7½" that's longer than many SG's and comparable to Hayward and Hood.
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GH is at 6'9" and Teague has no girth. Can maybe guard shorter SGs but he's no Jrue
 
dalamon said:
but he isn't. Compare their stats this season, for one.
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Teague is comparable to Hill, and Teague plays on a lesser team. Teague's stats would be higher if he was on the Jazz. That being said, Teague and Hill have similar TS%, PER, and Teague is a better passer and has a better win share than Hill.
 
dalamon said:
Since Greedy George Hill is gunning for the max this offseason, I say we completely shift our target to Jrue. Plan B is hoping that GreedyG's and Teague's values plummet, Plan C is signing DWill, Plan D is rolling with Dante and drafting a PG, Plan E is trading our assets for a PG if they're on the block like Bledsoe or Lin or something
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Hill/Teague/Holiday are all probably going to be similar contracts. Whoever signs first is going to set the market value for what the other two will get paid. If anything I would think Hill would get the least because of his age, but who knows.
 
green said:
Teague is comparable to Hill, and Teague plays on a lesser team. Teague's stats would be higher if he was on the Jazz. That being said, Teague and Hill have similar TS%, PER, and Teague is a better passer and has a better win share than Hill.
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So wouldn't that signal to you that the market would be similar for both players?
 
green said:
Teague is comparable to Hill, and Teague plays on a lesser team. Teague's stats would be higher if he was on the Jazz. That being said, Teague and Hill have similar TS%, PER, and Teague is a better passer and has a better win share than Hill.
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they aren't "similar", George is better in all of those categories, shooting better from the field, better from three in accuracy and makes (a priority on this team), rebounding better, and better in nearly every measurable advanced offensive and defensive statistic.

You're a man of science, don't let your rhetoric steer you away from the facts.
 
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