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Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

Jazz trade
Rudy Gobert
Rudy Gay

Bulls trade
Patrick Williams
Nikola Vucevic
Colby White

This trade works and I would hope for the #18 pick also but the more I thought about it that was just too much for the Bulls to give. I like this trade and think it will help the Jazz now if they want to run it out with DM 1 more time.
 
KqWIN said:
Right....I'm sure the FO would like to have Capela. I just think Capela is a bait and doing ATL a favor by taking him on. It seems like Turner is coming back, but if we could make him demand a trade out IND might want Capela. Don-Collins-Turner would be pretty special on offense.

Maybe we can convince Don to take in his friend Mo Bamba. I like him as a buy low candidate this summer.
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I think Turner is very available. Fisher had some rumors today. I think they want him to extend but he likely won't... basically if Indiana doesn't move him he walks for nothing if he has a good year.

I could see Indiana liking the certainty of Capela... but we'd need to add something
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I would be just as happy with the #16 pick as I would be taking back Deandre Hunter, especially if it meant drafting Tari Eason at #16. I think Eason's floor is a Josh Smith-type 2-way forward and his ceiling is considerable.
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His floor is like the Thybulle of PFs (I mean this not as a compliment). He gambles a ton and is rumored to be sliding on boards because of interview issues. I like him... but this is aggressive.
 
Jingled said:
This is exactly why I'm skeptical that the Jazz actually move any pieces of the core. Danny has a reputation for overvaluing his own players in trade discussions.
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Correct. I also think you have to realize when trading a player like Rudy is that you never get a dollar and change for your dollar... you get 5 quarters... maybe... but most likely you get 3 quarters and some nickels.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Turner is very available. Fisher had some rumors today. I think they want him to extend but he likely won't... basically if Indiana doesn't move him he walks for nothing if he has a good year.

I could see Indiana liking the certainty of Capela... but we'd need to add something
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If were sleuths, we'd talk to Turner's agent and tell him to send him to UTA.

Side note....didn't trader Danny essentially decide to not take Myles Turner for free in a Hayward S&T and let Hayward walk instead?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Correct. I also think you have to realize when trading a player like Rudy is that you never get a dollar and change for your dollar... you get 5 quarters... maybe... but most likely you get 3 quarters and some nickels.
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People also have to remember that we have changed our coaching staff. A dollar for us last year might not be a dollar for us this year. No telling what kind of coaching we get. We might get somebody who doesn't want to emphasize Rudy like Quin did.

Quin did everything around Rudy which worked for regular season success. People need to realize that our formula will change.
 
LoPo said:
Seems like a lot of cat and mouse right now.

Atlanta wants Utah to think that they are dangling Collins out there to Portland for #7. They also want to send the message that they want to extend Hunter. In other words, they don't need Rudy to get deals done.

meanwhile.....

Utah is leaking that they want a star caliber player, a young player and draft assets for Rudy.


Uh, seems to me that Utah wants Hunter, Collins and picks for Rudy while Atlanta wants to trade Capela, Collins and maybe a pick for Rudy.
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IF the Jazz could get Hunter, Collins, and picks it would be a huge haul.
 
Xthren said:
IF the Jazz could get Hunter, Collins, and picks it would be a huge haul.
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At this point, I think I would be happy with....

Rudy and Rudy
for
Collins, Huerter, #16 and a 2023 1st

OR

Rudy Gobert
for
Collins, Hunter and #16

We then trade Conley and #16 to Washington for KCP, something to make the salaries work and #10.
 
KqWIN said:
If were sleuths, we'd talk to Turner's agent and tell him to send him to UTA.

Side note....didn't trader Danny essentially decide to not take Myles Turner for free in a Hayward S&T and let Hayward walk instead?
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That was the rumor. I kinda believe it.
 
KqWIN said:
If were sleuths, we'd talk to Turner's agent and tell him to send him to UTA.

Side note....didn't trader Danny essentially decide to not take Myles Turner for free in a Hayward S&T and let Hayward walk instead?
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The presumption was he was going to do a deal with Indy and he was bargaining and while Gordon was waiting, he got an offer he couldn't refuse from CHA and that was that.
 
I can't resist a good trade rumor:

My proposed 4 team trade (Jazz, Hawks, Hornets, Kings)
Jazz out: Gobert, O'Neale
Jazz in: #4, Collins, Capela
Summary: Jazz can use #4 pick to get stud player (I love Ivey), get upside potential in Collins, and Capela as a solid starter.

Hawks out: Capela, Collins, Heurter, #16, 2023 1st (top 10 protected)
Hawks in: Gobert, O'Neale
Summary: Hawks get stud center and 3/D guy to surround Young with.

Kings out: #4, Holmes
Kings in: Grant, Hawks 2023 1st (top 10 protected)
Summary: Kings get win now player and future pick for #4.

Pistons out: Grant
Pistons in: Huerter, #16, Holmes
Summary: Pistons move on from Grant and get a good pick and two solid players in return.

To me, it feels like the Hawks might be giving up to much. Trade still works if you swap out O'Neale with Conley or Bogy. Could also maybe squeeze a second rounder from Pistons to send back to Hawks. Frankly, I wouldn't care if they didn't include Capela and instead flipped him for another player/asset that fit their team (Hornets would probably be interested). I just really love that #4 pick and I am a believer in Collins.
Might also be able to swap who gets #16 & 2023 pick between Pistons and Kings.
 
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Ainge apparently agreed in principle to trade Smart and pick 22 in the 2019 draft for Capela but it fell through as the Rockets wanted Brandon Clarke but the Grizzlies took him at 21.

We would definitely be taking Capela back in any Atlanta deal. Capela/Collins/16 will most likely be the middle ground I’m guessing.
 
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Elizah Huge said:
Ainge apparently agreed in principle to trade Smart and pick 22 in the 2019 draft for Capela but it fell through as the Hawks wanted Brandon Clarke but the Grizzlies took him at 21.

We would definitely be taking Capela back in any Atlanta deal. Capela/Collins/16 will most likely be the middle ground I’m guessing.
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Smart at that time was a career 9 ppg guy on 36% FG and they lost Al Horford in free agency.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Ainge apparently agreed in principle to trade Smart and pick 22 in the 2019 draft for Capela but it fell through as the Hawks wanted Brandon Clarke but the Grizzlies took him at 21.

We would definitely be taking Capela back in any Atlanta deal. Capela/Collins/16 will most likely be the middle ground I’m guessing.
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For what it’s worth the locked on Hawks guy said he wouldn’t even do JC and Capela for Rudy… definitely wouldn’t add anything to it. Wildly different than how we are talking. Maybe there is no middle ground? The locked on Hawks guy seems to over value JC a bit as he said he wouldn’t do JC for #7 straight up… prolly not the best measuring stick.
 
KqWIN said:
If were sleuths, we'd talk to Turner's agent and tell him to send him to UTA.

Side note....didn't trader Danny essentially decide to not take Myles Turner for free in a Hayward S&T and let Hayward walk instead?
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If I remember correctly Ainge did get Charlotte to do a sign and trade for Hayward, creating a large trade exception. They only got a half season of Evan Fournier out of that, but they didn’t lose Hayward for nothing.
 
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