PS4 vs. XBOX One
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scootsy
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scootsy
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Wow really? Christian missionary or Mormon? How long have they been doing that? Thailand/Myanmar are notoriously hard though right, with such strong Buddhism roots?
scootsy
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Don't want to debate the point, but I consider those terms to be the same thing.
Been doing it for a year, will continue to do it for another two. Three year assignment.
Don't know what exactly you mean by it being hard due to Buddhism. It's hard because they are in a foreign country full-time with limited access to the simplicities of life they enjoyed back home, in addition to the minimal contact with family and friends.
If you were asking in regards to the rate of successful conversion, I would say it has been somewhat difficult.
But if you were asking in terms of how successful they have been in accomplishing their purpose for being there, I would say extremely successful. Endless opportunities to extend hand of friendship and support, endless opportunities to serve, all of which is generally received graciously. They love the people they serve, and have felt tons of love in return. They are also helping a lot of kids along to develop and mature into responsible adults during formative years. They consider she effort to be entirely worth any hardships that they may endure because of it.
Safetydan
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Regarding Halo...
The developers of Halo (Bungie) stopped making Halo games after Reach(?). Ive heard lots of complaints about 343s take on the franchise. Halo IMO isnt really Halo anymore. You may want to think about picking up Destiny when it comes out. Its also multiplat.
The developers of Halo (Bungie) stopped making Halo games after Reach(?). Ive heard lots of complaints about 343s take on the franchise. Halo IMO isnt really Halo anymore. You may want to think about picking up Destiny when it comes out. Its also multiplat.
AtheistPreacher
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The three recent highlights I can recall:
1. Always-online: "Deal with it." https://techland.time.com/2013/04/0...ios-creative-director-kicks-the-hornets-nest/
2. Backwards compatibility: ""If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards." https://www.gamespot.com/news/micro...e-youre-really-backwards-6408741Always-online
3. Always-online (again): "If you don't have internet access, just buy a 360." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkEe_l7S3g
Yeah, truly a bunch of marketing geniuses they have over there at Microsoft.
Wow.. that's really cool.
Your folks are doing great things there. I do hope that continues. More people need to hear the gospels and there's no better way than that than comfortable people like us getting out there, out of our comfort zone and doing something about it. That's really great to hear. More people need to be doing this IMO.
In terms of "success" - yeah I was referring to conversion. But it's great that they're taking a wider definition of "success" to include other things as well like what they're doing to help the kids, etc.
Isn't it amazing? You go out of your comfort zone and do things like this, but in return you're gaining so much more joy. In a sense you're learning much more from them while they're also learning from you. It's really a 2-way thing.
How about you? Are you planning to go do something like this as well? Or have you already done something similar in the past???
scootsy
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https://pastebin.com/uCmdh9jB
>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for **** value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.
>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)
>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm **** as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted ****.
>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.
>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam
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>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO **** US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.
>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop ****s them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.
>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF ****ING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road
>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years
>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that **** happens magically on some huge *** screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.
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>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's ****ing sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.
>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.
>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool **** when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.
>Current plan is basically you're ****ed after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh
>If the power goes out you ain't playing ****. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're ****ed for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 cluster****
>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.
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>The cloud capabilities is the **** they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute **** and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.
>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool **** going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.
>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.
>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.
This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.
>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.
50ShadesofHay
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Does Microsoft being an American company make any difference to anyone? Personally I tend to support my own if products are somewhat similar.
The Black Swordsman
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Halo 4 has been the best Halo since the first Halo which is pretty high bar since Halo 2 has been great as well. 343 has done a great job with Halo 4 imo, especially with how bad Bungie did with Halo ODST and Halo Reach.
I can't believe how people are talking up Bungies Destiny with how limited info and gameplay footage we have of the game. Also the footage we did see of Destiny was pretty medicore, they were talking about how cool a sniper rifle was...
I can't believe how people are talking up Bungies Destiny with how limited info and gameplay footage we have of the game. Also the footage we did see of Destiny was pretty medicore, they were talking about how cool a sniper rifle was...
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scootsy
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elaborate plz on what was moronic.
Article on why cloud computing is BS. Micro$oft using "Power of the Cloud" as a buzz phrase, XO still less powerful than PS4. Cloud computing is useless.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming
The writing in general. It sounded like I was reading the ramblings of some 12 year old making a youtube comment.
To be more specific though, I'll focus on the biggest issue I have with the xbox1 which is this:
>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool **** when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.
>Current plan is basically you're ****ed after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh
>If the power goes out you ain't playing ****. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're ****ed for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 cluster****
I'll give him partial credit for realizing how stupid the 24 hour check in is, and the flaws behind it in general, but he still has that same arrogant dismissive attitude that I can't stand from Microsoft (at least in terms of their PR in this new console war). Which is essentially "if you don't internet well, basically, **** you." There is no reason for an internet connection when games are sold on disc. Absolutely no compelling reason whatsoever. Even he can't think of one (other than 'wow, look at all the cool things we can do' as he proceeds to elaborate on none of them).
One thing he made a call back on which I had forgot was that many games on the 360 made standard def tv's worthless. Though in that case I believe it was the developer of games who were more at fault for that. In this case it's Microsoft policy.
On a general note, I fault nobody for wanting the new xbox. There are things about it that I find interesting. And I fault nobody for liking the exclusive games that come with it, and if someone wants one more power to them. Hell, I may succumb and get one sometime, especially if they get rid of many of these stupid policies. But on pure principle I cannot support a company that mandates that you must check in with them once a day to play games that you bought. It doesn't even matter to me on a practical level since I do live in a fairly major metro area and have had broadband service consistently for almost 10 years or so now. But on principle I just cannot support it.
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AtheistPreacher
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You know, I'd be all for Microsoft's model if they actually carried through on lowering prices for games, as the guy says in the first part of his long ramblings. But does anyone actually believe that as a result of eliminating used game sales publishers will start slashing their prices?
If you look at last gen's sales numbers, the 360 beat the PS3 handily in the US, while the PS3 beat the 360 handily in all other regions. So it looks like it does matter to a lot of people. But speaking for myself, that consideration is so far down the list for this purchase as to be basically nonexistent. I have both practical and philosophical reasons for preferring the PS4 over the XB1.
AtheistPreacher
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I thought it was all pretty cogent for a 4chan post.
Safetydan
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Getting Loot >>> anything else in games ever
Hopefully the loot system as well as the leveling/upgrade system is fleshed out deeply and matters.
Between this and The Division, I'm actually excited about shooters again.