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another thing about these rankings….everyone is ranking the more distant picks more highly. I understand why…but I feel teams/GM’s think the opposite. 2029 is long ways away.
 
1. Barrett
2. Toppin
3. Grimes
4. All Knicks own unprotected picks
5. All the protected first round picks the Knicks own.
6. Quickley
7. Reddish
7. All the Knicks’ second round picks.
8. All the other **** that we don’t want.
 
KqWIN said:
another thing about these rankings….everyone is ranking the more distant picks more highly. I understand why…but I feel teams/GM’s think the opposite. 2029 is long ways away.
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That’s the entire point. It is so long away. Anything can happen. Why did Minnesota only put protections on the 2029 pick?
 
Elizah Huge said:
That’s the entire point. It is so long away. Anything can happen. Why did Minnesota only put protections on the 2029 pick?
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Right…but when GM’s think anything can happen, they’re probably thinking “am I going to have a job in 7 years?”

It’s a way different value proposition when you’re a fan of a team/will be a fan forever versus someone trying to keep a job in a hostile industry.
 
KqWIN said:
another thing about these rankings….everyone is ranking the more distant picks more highly. I understand why…but I feel teams/GM’s think the opposite. 2029 is long ways away.
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I'm sure it's a bit like businesses generally. When your assets are tied up for 7 years, you lose a lot of flexibility.
 
idiot said:
I'm sure it's a bit like businesses generally. When your assets are tied up for 7 years, you lose a lot of flexibility.
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I think it’s more about having something more tangible and more readily available. Yeah….you might get something really amazing if you wait 7 years for something. But idk, you might just really like Grimes and prefer him instead of the mystery box. Really, it’s more of a mystery box with another mystery box inside. You don’t know the draft position or if the player you’re going to draft is going to be any good. So while we can dream about the scenario where it turns out to this super awesome pick, the alternative of it not being good or underwhelming is probably more likely. It’s easy to see why a GM would prefer a player or more immediate draft pick instead. The people making decisions can’t count on even being there 7 years from now.

MIN just made this decision with McDaniels. And I can’t really blame them. McDaniels is real and chances are he’s better than whatever that 2029 pick ends up being.
 
Elizah Huge said:
1. RJ Barrett
2. 2029 1st
3. 2028 1st
4. 2027 1st
5. 2026 1st
6. Obi Toppin
7. Immanuel Quickley
6. 2025 1st
7. 2024 1st
8. 2023 1st
9. 2023 Dallas 1st
10. 2023 Detroit 1st
11. 2023 Washington 1st
12. Quentin Grimes
13. 2025 Milwaukee 1st
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That 2023 detroit pick shoukd be way higher right? Or is it lotto protected or something?


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Advance stats really love Toppin. 120ortg/111drtg and 2.0 BPM is the third highest on the Knicks trailing only D.Rose and Robinson while being significantly healthier than both.

He may be Favs type of solid rotation piece with decent upside. Average 17/8 easily when given enough minutes.

Thib simply screwed the kid over by playing Randle over him.
 
jom2003 said:
Advance stats really love Toppin. 120ortg/111drtg and 2.0 BPM is the third highest on the Knicks trailing only D.Rose and Robinson while being significantly healthier than both.

He may be Favs type of solid rotation piece with decent upside. Average 17/8 easily when given enough minutes.

Thib simply screwed the kid over by playing Randle over him.
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I actually really like Toppin. Would love to see what he can do with a bigger role and a coach who believes in him. Might be a real buy low move.
 
Coach Ellis said:
I actually really like Toppin. Would love to see what he can do with a bigger role and a coach who believes in him. Might be a real buy low move.
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Been watching some video and feel the same way. His 3pt shot isn’t great and has a bit of that Jae Crowder quality where it looks a bit mechanical and goes hot and cold quite quickly. It looks solid enough though to up his % a bit. Corner 3 looks pretty decent.
 
i like toppin as well, i just wish he were about three years younger on the same trajectory. dude will finish next season at age 25. ugh. having said that, i want him in the deal and think he can be a an efficient 17-20 ppg guy
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i like toppin as well, i just wish he were about three years younger on the same trajectory. dude will finish next season at age 25. ugh. having said that, i want him in the deal and think he can be a an efficient 17-20 ppg guy
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He screams underutilized to me, and his arc could be one of a high-quality starter on a reasonable contract by the time we're actually competitive again.
 
Toppin has very similar profile as Favs. I can see jazz fans loving Tobbin the same way they loved Favs. Probably never gonna be an all-star but will be a solid starter for many years to come
 
So I dont follow many players other than the jazz or whoever the jazz are playing in a given evening but decided to watch a highlight video of RJ Barrett. There is a lot to like. Looks to be about 6 foot 6 or 6 foot 7, good thickness (not too skinny), arms look long, can shoot and handle well. Average to a little above average athleticism. I like that he is a lefty. Could probably play the 2,3, or 4.
Kind of reminds me of Carmelo Anthony when he was young. Also kinda reminds me of CJ Miles.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Since NYK is the most rumored team in the Mitchell hunt, let's lay their assets out and rank them. This is kind of a tedious process, so everyone may not be into it, but it's cool to just type them all out and see them in front of you. I'm only including draft picks and players on rookie scale contracts.

New York:
  • 2023 1st from Dallas (protected 1-10 in 2023)
  • 2023 1st from Detroit (Protected 1-18 in 23, 1-18 in 24, 1-13 in 25, 1011 in 26, 1-9 in 27. Becomes 2027 2nd rounder if never conveyed)
  • 2023 1st from Washington (Protected 1-14 in 23, 1-12 in 24, 1-10 in 25, 1-8 in 26, becomes two 2nd rounders in 27 if never conveyed)
  • 2024 2nd from Cleveland or Utah (more favorable)
  • 2025 1st from Milwaukee (Protected Top 4)
  • 2023-2029 1st rounders (Not going to type each one out, but they are tradeable up to 2029, can only take one every 2 years, can do swaps on the years you dont have one)
  • RJ Barret
  • Obi Toppin
  • Immanuel Quickley
  • Cam Reddish
  • Quentin Grimes
  • Miles McBride
  • Jericho Sims
  • Trevor Keels
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This may have already been posted in another thread but Locke does break it down pretty well on his pod today

Youtube Link of his Pod
 
jom2003 said:
Toppin has very similar profile as Favs. I can see jazz fans loving Tobbin the same way they loved Favs. Probably never gonna be an all-star but will be a solid starter for many years to come
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Man you really dont watch basketball
 
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