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Re-sign Kanter or sign Draymond Green?

Kanter or Green

  • Kanter

    Votes: 25 62.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 14 35.0%

  • Neither

    Votes: 1 2.5%
  • Total voters
    40
fishonjazz said:
Remember that once a player is signed, they don't have to remain with the team.

Signing kanter would be about keeping a very young, talented, ASSET. The jazz could trade kanter, favors, Burks, trey, Hayward, gobert, in some combination for a proven all star. Possibly. (Think Houston, okc, harden)
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Yeah, but it only takes 1 team to offer Kanter a bloated contract that no one else besides that one team wants. Also the reason for not signing may be financial. If he cost 15 million, we have to take nearly 15 million back in a trade.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I understand that but if we don't want Kanter and his awful defense at say 10M per, do we really think some other team will?

He's restricted, right?
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If Monroe could not get a huge deal last year, Kanter wont. I say let him go get a deal and match it as well....as long as it is a tradeable deal.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I understand that but if we don't want Kanter and his awful defense at say 10M per, do we really think some other team will?

He's restricted, right?
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I think he is like 21 years old.
He may improve in lots of areas
 
Enes Kanters cap hold: $11.389.348

If we renounce his rights and don't pick up all the non-guaranteed contracts we have $12.273.485(The '15 1st round pick is included. I have the cap # for the 5th pick. If we are better than that, we'll have more cap space) in cap space.

If we can get rid of Novak we could have $15.498.393 in cap space.

If you can get an upgrade for Enes than it might be OK to led Enes walk but if we don't get something in quality and are just using the cap space for quantity than it might be a problem. Is the FO willing to take the chance of letting Enes go for nothing? I don't know but they better have ONE quality player hooked up before they go that route!

On a side note. I thought the right time to acquire a quality free agent was the last off season. Gordon's cap hold wasn't that high, Enes and Alec would be in their final year of their rookie contracts. We had about 10-15 Mil $ in cap space and din't have to move or renounce any rights.
 
Cy said:
Yeah, but it only takes 1 team to offer Kanter a bloated contract that no one else besides that one team wants. Also the reason for not signing may be financial. If he cost 15 million, we have to take nearly 15 million back in a trade.
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Ya. There should definitely be a limit on what we pay him. He should not get Hayward type money. That would probably be a mistake
 
Primetime said:
Enes Kanters cap hold: $11.389.348

If we renounce his rights and don't pick up all the non-guaranteed contracts we have $12.273.485(The '15 1st round pick is included. I have the cap # for the 5th pick. If we are better than that, we'll have more cap space) in cap space.

If we can get rid of Novak we could have $15.498.393 in cap space.

If you can get an upgrade for Enes than it might be OK to led Enes walk but if we don't get something in quality and are just using the cap space for quantity than it might be a problem. Is the FO willing to take the chance of letting Enes go for nothing? I don't know but they better have ONE quality player hooked up before they go that route!

On a side note. I thought the right time to acquire a quality free agent was the last off season. Gordon's cap hold wasn't that high, Enes and Alec would be in their final year of their rookie contracts. We had about 10-15 Mil $ in cap space and din't have to move or renounce any rights.
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Don't forget we can use mid-level exception, which is about 5 million. Also we can sign our rookie draft picks in a rookie exception even if that makes us go above the salary cap.
 
LjJazzman said:
Green is the flavor of the month and highly overrated. Put him on a team without the firepower that Gstate and he won't look good at all.
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. That's what they said about Shannon Anderson and Howard Eisley.

Hantlers said:
Never liked that contract. Extensions have not been something that Lindsey has been good at. Seems to be a pretty decent drafter, but I'm not a big fan of his other moves.
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. He drafted Trey Burke, signed Burks too soon for too much and did that thing with Hayward. If it weren't for lucking into Gobert Lindsey would be on the hot seat.

jumpin bean said:
Kanter will get close to a max offer, and that will be his good bye kiss.
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. Yes, so why keep him? Trade him to Toronto now.

QuinSnydersHair said:
I understand that but if we don't want Kanter and his awful defense at say 10M per, do we really think some other team will?

He's restricted, right?
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. Charlotte signed Jefferson, Toronto signed Bargnani, somebody will sign him. And the new tv deal has the owners free spending. If the jazz are not comfortable with a near max deal for Kanter the should trade him now.
 
mellow said:
. He drafted Trey Burke, signed Burks too soon for too much and did that thing with Hayward. If it weren't for lucking into Gobert Lindsey would be on the hot seat.
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The seats are never hot in Utah
 
I think the Jazz will match on Kanter up to the 12-million range, unless they grab a solid big in this upcoming draft. Kanter has his limitations, but to upgrade means getting a near All Star-caliber 18/10 player with shooting range, passing and rim protection. There just aren't many players like that.
 
Oh, and Draymond Green isn't nearly the player Kanter is. Green is basically a kick-out option in the Warriors' spread offense. He plays a role like Marvin Williams.
 
mellow said:
. He drafted Trey Burke, signed Burks too soon for too much and did that thing with Hayward. If it weren't for lucking into Gobert Lindsey would be on the hot seat.
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Nope. Too soon to make claims about contracts. When the cap jumps, I suspect DL will be looking just fine. Also, it's pretty lame to claim the only thing he did right he lucked into. He absolutely gets credit for recognizing Gobert's potential and then finding a way to get his hands on him.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think he is like 21 years old.
He may improve in lots of areas
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The same age Millsap was... as a rookie.

Not to say he'll necessarily improve as much as Millsap has, but it's silly to assume Kanter is close to his ceiling at this young of an age.
 
spycam1 said:
The same age Millsap was... as a rookie.

Not to say he'll necessarily improve as much as Millsap has, but it's silly to assume Kanter is close to his ceiling at this young of an age.
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Playing experience/minutes > age. Makes more sense to go by minutes than age...typically figure after 3-4 years most players are who they are.
 
Originally Posted by mellow
. He drafted Trey Burke, signed Burks too soon for too much and did that thing with Hayward. If it weren't for lucking into Gobert Lindsey would be on the hot seat.
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freakazoid said:
Nope. Too soon to make claims about contracts. When the cap jumps, I suspect DL will be looking just fine. Also, it's pretty lame to claim the only thing he did right he lucked into. He absolutely gets credit for recognizing Gobert's potential and then finding a way to get his hands on him.
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This is funny (referring to mellow's post). Had DL given Hayward $12M/per before last season, we'd have had 10 fire DL threads. NO WAY is Hayward worth $12M everyone would have said. The guy had a horrible year. Lindsey could have signed him for $6-8M TOPS! And yes, he does deserve credit for Gobert. He even hinted that Rudy was going to be the pick with our second first-rounder (I specifically remember Lindsey referring to "an international player everyone was sleeping on"). And after trading both picks to move up, he definitely deserves credit for buying a pick and moving into position to take Gobert.
 
Primetime said:
Enes Kanters cap hold: $11.389.348

If we renounce his rights and don't pick up all the non-guaranteed contracts we have $12.273.485(The '15 1st round pick is included. I have the cap # for the 5th pick. If we are better than that, we'll have more cap space) in cap space.

If we can get rid of Novak we could have $15.498.393 in cap space.

If you can get an upgrade for Enes than it might be OK to led Enes walk but if we don't get something in quality and are just using the cap space for quantity than it might be a problem. Is the FO willing to take the chance of letting Enes go for nothing? I don't know but they better have ONE quality player hooked up before they go that route!

On a side note. I thought the right time to acquire a quality free agent was the last off season. Gordon's cap hold wasn't that high, Enes and Alec would be in their final year of their rookie contracts. We had about 10-15 Mil $ in cap space and din't have to move or renounce any rights.
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About what I figured - i.e. no cap space UNLESS we renounce rights to Kanter and Booker. Do you know the timeline for offering and rescinding qualifying offers? I would assume since contracts can't be signed until July 10th and teams start talking to FA's on July 1st, that gives Utah a window to see if any top-tier FA's would agree to a contract. If one did, then the QO to Kanter can be withdrawn. They could also renounce Booker and then turn around and use the MLE to sign him to a longer-term deal.
 
Hantlers said:
Playing experience/minutes > age. Makes more sense to go by minutes than age...typically figure after 3-4 years most players are who they are.
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Probably gonna have to include total basketball experience in there too (college, high school, etc)
 
Catchall said:
I think the Jazz will match on Kanter up to the 12-million range, unless they grab a solid big in this upcoming draft. Kanter has his limitations, but to upgrade means getting a near All Star-caliber 18/10 player with shooting range, passing and rim protection. There just aren't many players like that.
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To upgrade means getting all that? Kanter has no passing or rim protection skills.
 
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