framer
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Yep, we wanted to play the youth, we got it. It does seem that we haven't become worldbeaters in two games. Watched enough of some other teams to realize that we aren't as bad as we could be.
Redemption Game: Utah Jazz @ Dallas Mavericks
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Yep, we wanted to play the youth, we got it. It does seem that we haven't become worldbeaters in two games. Watched enough of some other teams to realize that we aren't as bad as we could be.
We also need to take out the weakest defensive link in the starting unit (Kanter).
Jazz4ever
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What I'm seeing is the Jazz are sticking a little too close to the system. Almost like following a script, oblivious to any opportunities that present themselves.
For instance Burks had Ellis and Barea guarding him many times tonight. Attacking either of these midgets is probably a higher percentage shot than anything we can draw up.
For instance Burks had Ellis and Barea guarding him many times tonight. Attacking either of these midgets is probably a higher percentage shot than anything we can draw up.
Burke, Burks and Kanter can't play at the same time...they are all 3 defensive liabilities.
Anyway our defense will be a big concern the whole season...Favors and Hayward defense seems overrated at times.
We don't have defensive specialists on the roster...except Gobert as rim protector.
Anyway our defense will be a big concern the whole season...Favors and Hayward defense seems overrated at times.
We don't have defensive specialists on the roster...except Gobert as rim protector.
If we play defense, some good things.
Hayward is our max player but took the least amount of shots compared to the the rest of the starters. That is a worrying sign.
Is it a system thing that is stopping Burke from accelerating into open space to attempt to blow by a single defender (and attempt to break down the defence) instead of almost always going to a complete stop at the top of the 3 point line.
Is it a system thing that is stopping Burke from accelerating into open space to attempt to blow by a single defender (and attempt to break down the defence) instead of almost always going to a complete stop at the top of the 3 point line.
HighlandHomie
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This will be really interesting to monitor given his contract situation. Perhaps they'll want 'showcase' him if they want to trade? I still think Kanter can make defensive improvements because his biggest errors are mental ones. He'll learn. But I think starting Booker with Favors and perhaps even Favors and Gobert could be better for sure in the immediate future against many teams. Gobert is still obscenely raw on both ends as well, so we'd see plenty of WTF moments with Rudy just as we do with Kanter. So it goes with such a young squad...
JazzFanInNuggetLand
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That's an interesting stat. I don't think this team is as bad as the score showed tonight. I actually really like the roster. The main weak link appears to be Kanter. Unfortunately, I don't see us resigning him. He seems to be best suited as a backup PF scorer off the bench.
framer
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I like Kanter better than I did yesterday. I think he can have a role, but it will need to be created for him.
No one is excited to trade for a player who has been erratic in his play (and always bad at defense) just because he has a hot 4th year. You really want to be the team who has to decide if Kanter have a good contract year is fools gold or not? No team is. He has little to no trade value, almost no matter what. At best he is a throw in for a trade or someone traded as a potential expiring contract.
I think he needs to play with a big that overshadow a bit his defensive shortcomings and he focus on scoring...that's why I wrote he should play with Gobert. It seems that focusing on his defense he lost his offense too.
framer
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Well then good we keep him as a bench big and no one else is going to touch him as a RFA. If we can keep him as a Antoine Carr type backup for a good price that is a very good thing. Someone is going to pay him though. Trading him for an expiring is idiocy. He IS an expiring. . .
I think Quinn finds him a role he can succeed in. That is why I'm not worried right now, during these two games and in the preseason, I can see him tinkering and matching up parts of the offense and defense with the players. I just look at it as a 20 game preseason. Once we start playing the nancies in the East we will have a better idea of how we are developing.
Hantlers
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Our fundamentals are bad. Slow rotations, going for pump fake, allowing interior players to cut in front of you to the basket.
Favors played lazy interior defense, our guards got hit by the hesitation crossover on the perimeter about a thousand times. Just overall bad, lazy, non-aggressive defense. I'm not impressed.
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framer
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In the second half the understanding and effort were better. Keep in mind that these are young guys playing a new scheme against really good teams. That will tighten up as they learn to play with each other against the same teams multiple times. The fundamentals were there during the preseason. They haven't forgot them. Houston and Dallas are two of the best offenses we will see all year. We have a lot of first and second year players getting a lot of time on the court. Sucks that we are in that position as it is not a recipe for immediate success. . .
Dallas: They have a very good team. People forget but they pushed the Spurs to seven games last year. I think they are better than last year. Dirk is impossible to stop when he is hot like tonight. Monte Ellis is one of the quickest players in the league. He just blew by Exum one time. He is the type of player you need in the playoffs. When you watch the Mavs play defense vs the Jazz you realize the Jazz have a LONG way to go on defense. The Mavs rotate to help their teammate. Jazz still get lost a lot on defense.
Coach Snyder: I like the fact he played other guys hoping they could get something out of the bench. I also liked how he pulled Kanter out of the game in the first quarter and replaced him with Booker (7:45 mark) because Kanter missed a defensive rotation. I thought Kanter would sit for a while but he was out for a very short minute. I watch Kanter the next few trips down the court and he rotated on defense both times and I just smiled. However later in the game got lost again but at least when he got pulled in sunk in temporarily.
Burke - The thing I like about Trey is, he is one of the few players the Jazz have who can get his own shot. He isn't afraid to shoot. However, there are times where he takes bad shots. The most glaring thing tonight was his passing. He does this in almost every game but tonight he was pretty bad about throwing the ball at our bigs knees coming out of the pick and roll. His passing tonight was bad. I liked his toughness and I thought he made good effort on defense. I give him a B-
Hayward - I haven't looked at the stats but overall he had an ok game not bad but not what we need. He seemed to get pushed around a little tonight and settled for outside shots. Made a few nice passes. I give him a B-.
Favors - again not looking at stats, he played ok. He got pushed around a little tonight also. I know everyone talks about his athleticism but tonight didn't seem as athletic anymore. He fumbled the ball on several occasions. I give him a C+.
Kanter - was pretty bad again. Got his shot blocked a couple of times. I know Kanter has never been known for his athleticism but the year he got hurt (prior to his injury), he seemed more athletic. His hands on rebounds are good. He use to go up much stronger. It was nice to see him make a three pt. Overall he wasn't very good. I am being nice but I give him a D+.
Burk - Foul trouble hurt him in the first half. I thought he played pretty well once he came back. I think he made 3 - 3pts. Nothing spectacular but solid. I give him a B.
Hood - he was the first off the bend. When he misses his first few shots he rarely plays well. Kid has to shoot better. I have like his defensive effort. He gets a C for effort and C- for the game.
Gobert- No I am a huge fan but tonight was evidence of how far Rudy still has to go. He got pushed around a lot. He needs to work on his upper body but also his grip. He has bad hands sometimes. I like his effort but he earns a C.
Exum - Not a lot to write about. He got called for his first carry and hopefully he makes the adjustment. Dante is going to need some time and he needs to get stronger because it seems like he is afraid to take it to the hole. Didn't play awful on defense but didn't do anything on the offense side of the ball either. I give him a D+.
Booker - except for the 3 Pt. I didn't see anything worth writing about. He gets a D+.
The rest of the group didn't do anything worth mentioning. It was nice to see Ian Clark make a three pointer.
It is obvious that the Jazz have a long way to go especially on defense. I liked the fact they didn't stop competing. It is also obvious that they aren't a playoff team and might be a while before they are. I am not surprised about the outcome because Dallas is always a tough place to play.
Coach Snyder: I like the fact he played other guys hoping they could get something out of the bench. I also liked how he pulled Kanter out of the game in the first quarter and replaced him with Booker (7:45 mark) because Kanter missed a defensive rotation. I thought Kanter would sit for a while but he was out for a very short minute. I watch Kanter the next few trips down the court and he rotated on defense both times and I just smiled. However later in the game got lost again but at least when he got pulled in sunk in temporarily.
Burke - The thing I like about Trey is, he is one of the few players the Jazz have who can get his own shot. He isn't afraid to shoot. However, there are times where he takes bad shots. The most glaring thing tonight was his passing. He does this in almost every game but tonight he was pretty bad about throwing the ball at our bigs knees coming out of the pick and roll. His passing tonight was bad. I liked his toughness and I thought he made good effort on defense. I give him a B-
Hayward - I haven't looked at the stats but overall he had an ok game not bad but not what we need. He seemed to get pushed around a little tonight and settled for outside shots. Made a few nice passes. I give him a B-.
Favors - again not looking at stats, he played ok. He got pushed around a little tonight also. I know everyone talks about his athleticism but tonight didn't seem as athletic anymore. He fumbled the ball on several occasions. I give him a C+.
Kanter - was pretty bad again. Got his shot blocked a couple of times. I know Kanter has never been known for his athleticism but the year he got hurt (prior to his injury), he seemed more athletic. His hands on rebounds are good. He use to go up much stronger. It was nice to see him make a three pt. Overall he wasn't very good. I am being nice but I give him a D+.
Burk - Foul trouble hurt him in the first half. I thought he played pretty well once he came back. I think he made 3 - 3pts. Nothing spectacular but solid. I give him a B.
Hood - he was the first off the bend. When he misses his first few shots he rarely plays well. Kid has to shoot better. I have like his defensive effort. He gets a C for effort and C- for the game.
Gobert- No I am a huge fan but tonight was evidence of how far Rudy still has to go. He got pushed around a lot. He needs to work on his upper body but also his grip. He has bad hands sometimes. I like his effort but he earns a C.
Exum - Not a lot to write about. He got called for his first carry and hopefully he makes the adjustment. Dante is going to need some time and he needs to get stronger because it seems like he is afraid to take it to the hole. Didn't play awful on defense but didn't do anything on the offense side of the ball either. I give him a D+.
Booker - except for the 3 Pt. I didn't see anything worth writing about. He gets a D+.
The rest of the group didn't do anything worth mentioning. It was nice to see Ian Clark make a three pointer.
It is obvious that the Jazz have a long way to go especially on defense. I liked the fact they didn't stop competing. It is also obvious that they aren't a playoff team and might be a while before they are. I am not surprised about the outcome because Dallas is always a tough place to play.
Jazz4ever
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Eh...its his 4th year. Kanter won't be in demand like Hayward, he never really had an efficient scoring year like Hayward did two years ago. He is in no mans land as a PF/center that can't defend or stretch the floor. Greg Monroe is better, but in the same mold as Kanter and got no significant offers at all in RFA this summer.
The people who are talking about trading any Jazz player at this point need to just stop. It is two games into the season, these kids are just wet behind the ears. It is going to take some time to learn how to play together. I am not against trading anyone if it makes the Jazz better but at least give it 20-25 games or more.