Jazz4ever
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Fair enough. That's realistically what DL is going to do.
Redemption Game: Utah Jazz @ Dallas Mavericks
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Fair enough. That's realistically what DL is going to do.
GVC
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Greg Monroe knows how to play 5-man basketball. They're both plodding bigs, but that's more or less the only way they're similar. Monroe will get paid next summer, Kanter may not.
I'm not sure what system Snyder is trying to put in place. I'm just not seeing the organizing principle here, and even less can I tell if the players actually fit that system.
With Corbin, the system was pretty vanilla. Kanter or Favors would post and Hayward or Burke would try to do too much. I'm not advocating for it. However, there was a stretch there where the Jazz were playing .500 ball. Kanter finished the season averaging 18/14, though we lost most of those games.
The Spurs' system is based on Tony Parker breaking the defense down out of the pick-and-roll and with Duncan (or Diaw) facilitating out of the high post or baseline. However, Trey Burke is no Tony Parker. He can't get by anyone or stay ahead of his defender even with a pick. And I don't know where to begin regarding the multi-talented, court-visioned passing big.
With Corbin, the system was pretty vanilla. Kanter or Favors would post and Hayward or Burke would try to do too much. I'm not advocating for it. However, there was a stretch there where the Jazz were playing .500 ball. Kanter finished the season averaging 18/14, though we lost most of those games.
The Spurs' system is based on Tony Parker breaking the defense down out of the pick-and-roll and with Duncan (or Diaw) facilitating out of the high post or baseline. However, Trey Burke is no Tony Parker. He can't get by anyone or stay ahead of his defender even with a pick. And I don't know where to begin regarding the multi-talented, court-visioned passing big.
Favors is averaging 16.5 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blks and 2 stls in his first two games. That's encouraging I guess. He's at least putting up Millsap numbers. I think he can average close to that going forward.
framer
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There is ABSOLUTELY more complexity to the offense and Defense this year. Part of the problem is that it appears that Quinn is forcing rigidity at this point when teaching his system so some of the eventual wrinkles aren't being used. But there are a ton more back cuts and inside out passing that we saw last year (or for the past 3 years for that matter.) A lot of emphasis is being placed on that third pass as well that the Jazz would almost never make last year (unless it was Hayward.) On defense Quinn is enforcing assignments and pulling people if they don't follow the script. He appears to, again, be rigid in the script as we saw last night with stopping Harden from driving, but then allowing the resulting three point shot by collapsing too far. It appeared Quinn was fine with letting the team work on the first part of the problem without yet addressing the second part. It will take a full season at least before the team learns the proper balance needed to defend aggressively, with fluidity, consistently. Would have been nice to have the core learning this LAST year as a coheasive unit.
IBProfane
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I love the concept of having a high energy guy like Booker come off the bench, but perhaps we'd be better off defensively having Kanter come off the bench. Coupling Kanter with Gobert should work pretty well offensively if Kanter can find that midrange consistency he's shown over the last few years. Gobert can mask his defensive inefficiencies. Booker will fare much better defensively against the likes of Dirk, Aldridge, Griffin, etc. I believe that Kanter doesn't have the athletic ability to stop those types of 4s.
i was really frustrated, but this team will figure it out. dallas played amazing offense in 1st quarter. hope we can guard well against suns
We all get that it doesn't work like that, right?
If a better team doesn't bury you in the first qtr they try again next qtr and the qtr after that. Once they've buried their opponent most teams ease up.
Doublea
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We did at least start hitting our 3's.
fgcamel
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No. You're wrong.
So Jordan is down by 5 pts with 10 min left in game 7 off the finals. He plays exactly the same way he would if his team were up by 10?
Or you can just subtract the amount of free throws made from bad calls and say you're team actually won the game if it takes away enough points so your team would have been ahead.
GVC
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Tough to accomplish with a lame duck head coach (not that Ty was the man for the job).
The rest of your post is spot on. Dallas killed the Jazz with the speed and precision of their execution tonight, but perimeter defenders were overloading the strong side a little (Alec popping in and out of the key) and rotating when the ball was being swung around the perimeter. Physicality at the point of attack, trust in teammates/communication, and sustained defensive focus take time, especially for a young team. I don't think the talent is there for this team to ever be particularly good, but they should get better as the season progresses.
The Thriller
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It's just one game...
fgcamel
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My panties are just in a mild murmur. It's all good
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To be fair, burks was sitting almost the whole first half with foul trouble and that hurt the offense. (he only played 5-7 minutes out of the 24 minutes in the first half)
The Thriller
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Just curious, how many Jazz fans have seen that Mav roster? If they stay healthy it's going to be one hell of a WCF between them and the Spurs. They're stacked.