TheSilencer1313
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Ric Bucher reporting Jazz have signed Randy Foye to a 1-year deal
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Can someone comment on the value of salaries going forward? I perceive Randy Foye as better than 2.5/year. But i have not adjusted to the new salary structure. If we consider Foye the 8th man or so in the rotation, does that seem about right?
Jefferson
.................Millsap
Favors
Hayward
...............Williams
Burks
................Foye
Williams
(Kanter, Carroll, Evans, Tins, Watson, + maybe 2nd Round dude)
gregbroncs
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Well he does touch the ball a lot. Change the stat to FT attempt per shot and I'm pretty sure Al would be one of the worst in the league.
Stifle Tower
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And look at Assist to Turnover ratio for Centers. Guess who's #1?
I'll give you a hint: he plays for Utah and is often referred to as a "black hole."
Stop holding onto this stat Mo. We've all seen his play and it's not all about stats.
Stifle Tower
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Yet, every other center in the NBA is not judged by the same criteria. Ball goes inside, it's a big's job to score.
Let me give you another stat.
Assists per game by centers:
M Gasol - 3.1
*Hawes - 2.6
*Bogut - 2.6
Noah - 2.5
Monroe - 2.3
Duncan - 2.3
Jefferson - 2.2
A. Horford - 2.2
Stats are from ESPN. Hawes played 37 games and Bogut just 11 (would be "non-qualifiers" in an official rankings list).
So 7th among all centers in total assists per game, but #1 in A/TO ratio. What the stat says is that DESPITE double teams, Al rarely turns the ball over. And he's better than all but 6 other centers in total assists per game. IMO, this board suffers from "parrot syndrome." One poster puts forth a hypothesis or an observation from a few games, it's picked up by a few others and suddenly just about everyone is voicing the same refrain, despite the stats not bearing it out.
I guess if Jefferson is a "black hole," then the same has to be said of Dwight Howard, Bynum, Hibbert, etc. None of those guys pass as much as Al, nor as effectively (i.e. more turnovers).
This is all I needed to read on your argument. Howard, Bynum, and Hibbert play WAY better defense than Big Al. Stats aren't everything, especially considering there primarily offensive. A center helps on defense more than any other player on the floor, therefore affecting that end of the floor more than any other player. If I am building a winning team, a defensive center is far superior to a offensive patty cake.
Stifle Tower
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I made no claims about defense. I'll admit Jefferson is weak defensively. But referring to him as a "black hole" on offense is simply not the case when compared against other centers in the league.
carolinajazz
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Which one do you like the most and/or think the actual Jazz depth chart will look like?
...well, any lineup we use with Jefferson on the floor is going to be weak, very weak defensively! Until we get rid of Jefferson....we might as well slit our throats and be done with it!
TheSilencer1313
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I believe this is exactly the reason the Jazz signed 3 very good defensive and offensive guards this offseason.
Marvin and Mo I believe will be the most effective at helping Jefferson out here.
Not to mention Favors will continue to be more dominant defensively as well.
green
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The more I think about these trades, the more I feel like the Jazz are building around Jefferson.
There is no reason why the Jazz haven't signed Millsap to a 4 year 40 million dollar deal. The guy is clearly worth it, especially considering the Nets just signed Humphries for more than that.
Favors is our defensive stopper, and it looks like for the next couple of years, our offense will be the Orlando Magic offense....Toss the ball into Jefferson and have three point shooters spread the floor. It's probably not a bad strategy. I think I would like it even more if we had a Tony Parker/Steve Nash/Chris Paul pg in there as well. Someone that could dominate the ball a bit, run some pick and roll with Favors, and when the shot clock got down to 10, dump it in to Jefferson and let him take on the world.
I absolutely do not like Jefferson, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if the Jazz feel he is young enough to change his offensive game a little and they are going to try to build around him, then hope he passes the torch off to Favors 3-4 years from now.
Stifle Tower
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Could it be that he and his uncle are asking for more than $10M/per? Everyone acts like a player will sign for exactly what we offer him. After seeing the deals for Wallace, Humphries and even AK, I'd be asking the Jazz for $14M if I were Millsap (and hoping to negotiate down to 4/$48M).
carolinajazz
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...well, you have to give the Jazz front office credit for not spending like drunk'in sailors! They are trying to piece together a better playoff team than last year....without flushing money down the toilet! It, in fact, should be a better team and more watchable than ones we've had in past years!
green
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That could very well be the case now. That's why I think Millsap is gone and Al will be here for a long time.
Stifle Tower
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I tend to agree. Paul may prove difficult to re-sign, especially when you look back at the last round of negotiations with him and his uncle. Paul's not a great defender and neither is Al. But a 5 is much harder to find than a backup 4. Having Jefferson allows Kanter to develop and gradually increase his minutes as his skills increase. Finding another 4 shouldn't be too hard via free agency or in the draft.
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I predict the opposite. We are building our team around an inside out game. I think Al Jefferson is here to stay.
Hotdog
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