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Santa is white. Is it wrong?

Stoked said:
Then you do a truly exceptional job or ruining your own message.
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Actually, I believe I have our miscommunications to thank for that. Your continued responses claiming I was saying something else, and my continued counter-responses trying to clear up the falsehoods, really clouded the message.
 
One Brow said:
Actually, I believe I have our miscommunications to thank for that. Your continued responses claiming I was saying something else, and my continued counter-responses trying to clear up the falsehoods, really clouded the message.
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To be honest it is because you play word games. When given the chance to be direct you decline. Also please don't act like this is some outlandish position that I alone am taking. Others have called you on this in various other threads.

Edit: Aside from the simple disagreement on issues this is how you are seen. Accurate or not this is the perception of you.
 
Stoked said:
To be honest it is because you play word games. When given the chance to be direct you decline. Also please don't act like this is some outlandish position that I alone am taking. Others have called you on this in various other threads.
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I am accused of word games because I am using them as they are used by the people who study the phenomena professionally, to the best of my ability. However, I use them consistently, with the same meaning post to post, month to month, and year to year, to the best of my ability. That's not playing a word game.

Stoked said:
Edit: Aside from the simple disagreement on issues this is how you are seen. Accurate or not this is the perception of you.
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Of course it is. It's much easier to claim I'm playing a word game than deal with the substance of the argument.
 
One Brow said:
I am accused of word games because I am using them as they are used by the people who study the phenomena professionally, to the best of my ability. However, I use them consistently, with the same meaning post to post, month to month, and year to year, to the best of my ability. That's not playing a word game.

Of course it is. It's much easier to claim I'm playing a word game than deal with the substance of the argument.
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People have tried that (Heyhey, GF and myself for example) and all we got were more word games. Easier to play word games than deal with counter arguements.
 
Stoked said:
People have tried that (Heyhey, GF and myself for example) and all we got were more word games. Easier to play word games than deal with counter arguements.
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From my perspective, a better example than any of your three is bordelais7, who I think was trying to engage me to a degree. For some reason, he decided I was not deserving of the benefit of the doubt when I made an over-generalization (or, it was something else, he didn't say what).

Not one single post of heyhey's dealt with the argument. His entire focus was on how I presented myself. As soon as I said I was done talking about that with him, he was done, period. Supposedly, he doesn't even disagree with me (from what he said, anyhow).

GameFace and I have had direct conversations. If he tells me I just play word games, I'll take that point seriously. An example would be helpful.

After all this time, you can't even bother to pretend you understand what I'm saying. How can you engage in an argument whose premise you can't/won't state? Your attempt at counter-argument fails, time and again, because it doesn't address the argument at all. You seem to think that if there is no conscious bias, there is no bias. If you offered any reason to believe that, it would be a counter-argument. However, you just make broad proclamations, false accusations, and empty assertions. It's like dealing with John Cleese in the argument sketch.
 
One Brow said:
From my perspective, a better example than any of your three is bordelais7, who I think was trying to engage me to a degree. For some reason, he decided I was not deserving of the benefit of the doubt when I made an over-generalization (or, it was something else, he didn't say what).

Not one single post of heyhey's dealt with the argument. His entire focus was on how I presented myself. As soon as I said I was done talking about that with him, he was done, period. Supposedly, he doesn't even disagree with me (from what he said, anyhow).

GameFace and I have had direct conversations. If he tells me I just play word games, I'll take that point seriously. An example would be helpful.

After all this time, you can't even bother to pretend you understand what I'm saying. How can you engage in an argument whose premise you can't/won't state? Your attempt at counter-argument fails, time and again, because it doesn't address the argument at all. You seem to think that if there is no conscious bias, there is no bias. If you offered any reason to believe that, it would be a counter-argument. However, you just make broad proclamations, false accusations, and empty assertions. It's like dealing with John Cleese in the argument sketch.
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How you presented yourself was of critical importance to his argument since it directly related to your arguments against others. But truth be told I am tired of this this topic for now. Have a Merry Christmas and I'll beat this dead horse with you after. Save my stick.
 
Stoked said:
How you presented yourself was of critical importance to his argument since it directly related to your arguments against others. But truth be told I am tired of this this topic for now. Have a Merry Christmas and I'll beat this dead horse with you after. Save my stick.
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Merry Christmas to you, as well. Shall we call a truce of two weeks, say? :)
 
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