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So I want to talk about the Mormons

With the people who complain about how the state is governed and laws that are influenced by the church, have you ever thought that that's just how the cookie crumbles. I mean, SLC was founded by mormons and thus, there is a lot of influence by them. I think some of the laws (especially alcohol laws) are whack and make no sense, but then again that's because of where I live and the history of the state.

It's like living in Rome and bitching about Catholics or am I way off?
 
Archie Moses said:
With the people who complain about how the state is governed and laws that are influenced by the church, have you ever thought that that's just how the cookie crumbles. I mean, SLC was founded by mormons and thus, there is a lot of influence by them. I think some of the laws (especially alcohol laws) are whack and make no sense, but then again that's because of where I live and the history of the state.

It's like living in Rome and bitching about Catholics or am I way off?
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Sorry, I wrote this really quick and just read it. I hope it makes a lil sense, if not I'll see if I can re-word it later. I have my son and I'm chasing him around.
 
Gameface said:
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Archie Moses said:
With the people who complain about how the state is governed and laws that are influenced by the church, have you ever thought that that's just how the cookie crumbles. I mean, SLC was founded by mormons and thus, there is a lot of influence by them. I think some of the laws (especially alcohol laws) are whack and make no sense, but then again that's because of where I live and the history of the state.

It's like living in Rome and bitching about Catholics or am I way off?
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A) Take a wild guess as to how non-Roman Catholic citizens in Rome feel about the Vatican.

B) I think Utah state law has more legal jurisdiction than the representative state of Rome. Not a straight comparison....from what I can tell at least.



Like Arch, I get that people definitely do demonize the Mormon faith-- but I don't think it's anything outside of what you'd expect from any minority living in a similar circumstance. That's pretty much my perspective on the issue.
 
I'm a mormon and I'm much more annoyed by the idiocy of the legislature than by the non Mormons that gripe about church influence. I don't have an issue with people governing according to their beliefs until those beliefs start to unreasonably effect those who believe differently. I'm not big on legislating morality. If you're going to trumpet "agency" as a cornerstone of God's plan, don't withhold it from everyone else.
 
Bronco70 said:
I'm a mormon and I'm much more annoyed by the idiocy of the legislature than by the non Mormons that gripe about church influence. I don't have an issue with people governing according to their beliefs until those beliefs start to unreasonably effect those who believe differently. I'm not big on legislating morality. If you're going to trumpet "agency" as a cornerstone of God's plan, don't withhold it from everyone else.
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Archie Moses said:
And my main question was about why people go out of their way to demonize it and make it look evil.
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Archie, I'm not trying to offend your delicate sensibilities, but I kind of do think the church is evil. I think that the higher-ups have greater access to the inconsistencies and the decisions made to continue to play it for all it's worth. I get that my view is from a perspective biased against the church. So, take it for what it's worth, which isn't much. But I'm not a fan of the LDS organization. I'm not and it comes through pretty regularly. It's real and not manufactured. So, please, don't agree with it, but don't discount it as blind hatred.

My family on my father's (Brigham Young's) side are some of the smartest (I list that first for a reason), nicest and most honorable people I've ever met. I have no doubt that much of their character is a result of their faith. They are VERY LDS, mostly living in small town southern Utah (in places that were settled by our ancestors) where their way of life is seldom questioned or challenged by outsiders.

I don't agree with the LDS church and I do not believe their teachings are true. I've lived here almost my entire life. Bitching and moaning about "the church" is one of my favorite pastimes. Again, to me it feels like bitching and moaning about my brother, but I can see how it isn't taken that way.
 
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Stoked said:
Mormons have and do face persecution. I find it a valid comparison. Mormons have been where homosexuals are.
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Was talking in a modern sense, no Mormons have in common with teh blacks sense.

Stoked said:
I went to high school in northern Mississippi and I can assure you from first hand experience that they are very noticed and very hated by some. My experience showed me it was far more intense outside Utah than in it.
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The Mos I know from down the south have crazy childhood stories like rubbing heads for horns... The south.

Archie Moses said:
With the people who complain about how the state is governed and laws that are influenced by the church, have you ever thought that that's just how the cookie crumbles. I mean, SLC was founded by mormons and thus, there is a lot of influence by them. I think some of the laws (especially alcohol laws) are whack and make no sense, but then again that's because of where I live and the history of the state.

It's like living in Rome and bitching about Catholics or am I way off?
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It's a good point.

Gameface said:
got your back
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Was gonna say how gamefaced of you.
 
Ok, so I started reading Book of Mormon and gave up after couple hours:/. Sorry people, I would rather read R.Bradbury or some other great science fiction author, at least some of his stories are believable and interesting. Now to believe that Lehi made a ship and sailed from Arabian peninsula to America's in 600 B.C? There was no proper ships or navigation knowledge at that time to sail that far, I am not even talking about winds, currents and other natural causes which would have made trip like that impossible. Why every religious book is so out of touch? I guess the answer is that people who wrote them at that time had no clue how silly it will look thousands or even hundreds of years after. Sorry, I understand that everybody can believe whatever they like but this is not for me.
 
AKMVP said:
Now to believe that Lehi made a ship and sailed from Arabian peninsula to America's in 600 B.C? There was no proper ships or navigation knowledge at that time to sail that far, I am not even talking about winds, currents and other natural causes which would have made trip like that impossible.
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What are you talking about then? I'm not a believer, but the Austronesians sailed great distances across the Pacific starting 5000 or so years ago (they got to both Africa and the Society Islands around 300 CE).
 
GVC said:
What are you talking about then? I'm not a believer, but the Austronesians sailed great distances across the Pacific starting 5000 or so years ago (they got to both Africa and the Society Islands around 300 CE).
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The austonesians mostly used small islands and "hopped" to other ones after a few generations, from what I have read. That said though, there are plenty of seafaring people beside what we accept as history right now that have explored farther than what we ever thought possible. The Chinese were sailing around Africa at least 500 years before Europeans. The reasoning behind akmvp's argument against the validity of the book does not hold water. There are other things to disagree with, but the sailing could have happened.
 
AKMVP said:
Ok, so I started reading Book of Mormon and gave up after couple hours:/.
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No problem, I don't take it personally.

Sorry people, I would rather read R.Bradbury or some other great science fiction author, at least some of his stories are believable and interesting. Now to believe that Lehi made a ship and sailed from Arabian peninsula to America's in 600 B.C? There was no proper ships or navigation knowledge at that time to sail that far, I am not even talking about winds, currents and other natural causes which would have made trip like that impossible. Why every religious book is so out of touch?
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Perhaps you missed the part where it was done miraculously, through the power of God? And in fact, the miracle of how Lehi's family were led away from Jerusalem becomes a theme for the entire Book of Mormon. Whenever later prophets need to proclaim repentance to the people, just about every time they begin with (I paraphrase), "Have you forgotten the great things the Lord has done for us? He led our fathers away from Jerusalem before it was destroyed..."
 
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