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Sources: Utah has expressed interest in re-acquring Deron Williams

NAOS said:
because we can control the first-round pick's future for longer. In short, it's a cheap long-term contract situation... which is good when you're at the stage of a build like the Utah Jazz.
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Good retort.
 
fishonjazz said:
Good retort.
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Not really, though.

Again, if you have a trio of Gobert, Lillard and Hayward, you are going to be running up against the cap. In that case, a crappy 12th man who is guaranteed years is not valuable. Now you have to give up a second round pick to dump their salary.

This is all hypothetical. Right now, where the Jazz are now, yeah, NAOS is right. Late first rounds are great assets to have. When you have a trio of Lillard, Hayward and Gobert, late firsts just get in the way.

The original take on this was GS's pick vs a second rounder. Both picks suck. One gives you cap flexibility. The other gives you a cheap contract, but long term.

I'd take Deron over a long term, cheap contract. He is a better player. If you offer the 45th pick (or whatever second round pick) and Dallas says, no thanks, we want the #30 pick for Deron, you do it. It is a no brainer.
 
For whatever reason, Jazz fans are anti-star. I don't know why.

If we want to win a title, we need a star. Once you have a star, you need to fill in around the star with cheap veterans. Not youth. Not late first round picks.

There are a GLUT of stars available. It is almost unforgivable if the stars get moved and we don't get one.

Go get those stars. Then, go get the Deron's of the world and surround those stars with Veteran players. Not young, maybe someday this #30 pick will be as good as a 32 year old Deron Williams.
 
green said:
For whatever reason, Jazz fans are anti-star. I don't know why.

If we want to win a title, we need a star. Once you have a star, you need to fill in around the star with cheap veterans. Not youth. Not late first round picks.

There are a GLUT of stars available. It is almost unforgivable if the stars get moved and we don't get one.

Go get those stars. Then, go get the Deron's of the world and surround those stars with Veteran players. Not young, maybe someday this #30 pick will be as good as a 32 year old Deron Williams.
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Hayward: 1 all star appearance

Lillard: 0 all star appearance

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Lillard was an All Star in 14 and 15. He made the All NBA teams in 14 and 16. He was rookie of the year in 13.
He would be our best player and our most decorated player we have.
 
somehow green has turned this thread into a place where we're assuming Lillard is on the jazz. Please adopt this assumption before posting in here henceforth thankyou
 
NAOS said:
somehow green has turned this thread into a place where we're assuming Lillard is on the jazz. Please adopt this assumption before posting in here henceforth thankyou
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Well, when my whole discussion revolves around the premise that Lillard was traded to Utah...yeah. Your advice is good. Or, just read through the discussion and comprehend what is being said before throwing your two cents in.

Either way works.
 
green said:
For whatever reason, Jazz fans are anti-star. I don't know why.

If we want to win a title, we need a star. Once you have a star, you need to fill in around the star with cheap veterans. Not youth. Not late first round picks.

There are a GLUT of stars available. It is almost unforgivable if the stars get moved and we don't get one.

Go get those stars. Then, go get the Deron's of the world and surround those stars with Veteran players. Not young, maybe someday this #30 pick will be as good as a 32 year old Deron Williams.
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There are stars available, but to get Butler, George, or Lillard, you likely have to give up Hayward or Gobert. If you give up Gobert you lose your team identity, and I'm not sure, if we are talking about winning more games, George, Butler or Lillard help you win more games.

Lillard is an unmitigated dumpster fire on defense (albeit a terrific offensive player) and Hayward is having a better season than George according to basically every advanced metric. Butler probably a little better than Hayward, but probably not worth trading Hayward for him and Bulls would probably not do that anyway.

If you are suggesting we can get these stars without trading Hayward or Gobert lets go for it, but I am quite incredulous anything else we have gets it done.
 
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Tom Pitt said:
There are stars available, but to get Butler, George, or Lillard, you likely have to give up Hayward or Gobert. If you give up Gobert you lose your team identity, and I'm not sure, if we are talking about winning more games, George, Butler or Lillard help you win more games.

Lillard is an unmitigated dumpster fire on defense (albeit a terrific offensive player) and Hayward is having a better season than George according to basically every advanced metric. Butler probably a little better than Hayward, but probably not worth trading him Hayward for him and Bulls would probably not do that anyway.

If you are suggesting we can get these stars without trading Hayward or Gobert lets go for it, but I am quite incredulous anything else we have gets it done.
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I don't think any of these guys are truly available unless your name is Boston or LA.

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