♪alt13
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I don't boo him. I'm apathetic. I'm glad we got Favors for him but I'm not going to praise D-Will for ruining a good thing.
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I don't boo him. I'm apathetic. I'm glad we got Favors for him but I'm not going to praise D-Will for ruining a good thing.
Game6Conley
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In the context of Utah vs the Warriors in a 7 game playoff series I still believe that to be true. He doesn't move the needle.
Hill doesn't open the window any further he just limits the time we'll need to strike in the window, if he's in fact a key piece to the puzzle...
In the regular season vs some of these teams he's obviously a big upgrade over Mack. My question now is at what cost though?? thats very much up in the air.
Let me run ya thru a scenario here that people would kick and scream thru but in the end could end up quite beneficial for the JAzz.
Lets assume the Jazz have no george hill and lets say Wade Baldwin was the pick in his place(PG with the same build as Hill except he's marginally bigger) with these injuries and lose, alot, and assume a tank stance, Hayward gets hurt when he comes back, they could end up with a chance at Markelle Fultz who's also got the same build as Hill, is just as good at getting to the basket and has a much, much better handle than Hill at the same age.. He's 12 years younger with great potential..
would that really be horrific for the Jazz? I'd say no, it could be quite fortuitous in the long run. This would save them $$ up front to be spent later on the youngins too and they'd also have the Warriors 1st, so the team would easily be one of the youngest in the league, and stacked at all positions...
Game6Conley
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A draft pick on a 4 year restricted deal getting injured is not the same as a 30 year old on an expiring deal..
NAOS
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^this is PGAB boilerplate language at this point. So ****ing zzzzzzzzzzz. Your scenarios are so self-serving that I'm laughing (while sleeping, of course).
Game6Conley
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Yet you refute none of it. Scenarios of Jazz vs Warriors in 7 game series are "So ****ing zzzzzzzzz" ??!?!?
you choose to be small minded and look at things thru the baby steps of a team, when you take a step back and look at the conference, the Jazz are no threat to the powers in the west.... (do you think otherwise?)
So naturally I'm asking myself if these win-now moves are timed correctly...
One of the things I've deduced for sure is that George Hill will certainly help the coaching staff and GM keep their jobs in the short term.............
Game6Conley
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Lets say the Jazz beat thru the west because of George Hill. How do ya think they do vs the Cavs in the Finals?
Miggs
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destroy those fools. Exum and Hill could really slow down Irving. We'd have multiple guys to throw at Lebron in hayward and JJ.
If we are looking really effing good come early February, I think we would be wise to find a killer defender off the bench to be able to throw at Durant and Lebron. Maybe we could trade Burks for someone like that.
There is nothing to refute.
If the Jazz tanked and got Tim Duncan back in the day they could have won a championship. The Jazz ruined their franchise arc and as such are a terrible org. I knew what they should have done and that they couldn't see it/make it happen speaks to their incapability.
That's basically all you're doing. That's it.
Game6Conley
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I only use the timeframe of the gm's/hive-mind in charge, let's not forget it's the same jokers that already used a 12th pick on a PG (which I also said was asinine, ahead of time. Oh and I identified a better option in Dennis Schroder ahead of time, because I'm not a complainer im solutions based
).. I certainly don't feel that anythings ruined or terrible and never said that, I'm not the panicked type at all. All i'm saying is lets not pretend the FO is infallible, and not to be questioned. which is a notion thats met with much resistance around here..
I say things could be better, i'm a malcontent in that way. I'd rather have a good rookie on a 4 year restricted deal than a good 30 year old that needs to be paid as such, i guess thats obtuse.
Game6Conley
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Harrison Barnes was just the best player the Mavs had on the floor last night, i forgot who was guarding him but did you see when he spun a jazzman into the ground and hit a beautiful turnaround j? His cost is comparable to Joe Johnson and Diaw combined. He'd be a great help with this Favors injury and my stance is that he'll have plenty of trade value in 1½-2 seasons when he's still only 25 or 26, in the event that space needs to be cleared for Favors/Exum/Hood.
Oh he also would've brought championship experience.. Diaw's looked like total dead-weight IDK how people can even argue this right now..
Not just saying Barnes would've been tradeable for the sake of argument either, he'll be very tradeable then! mark my words!
I only use the timeframe of the gm's/hive-mind in charge, let's not forget it's the same jokers that already used a 12th pick on a PG (which I also said was asinine, ahead of time. Oh and I identified a better option in Dennis Schroder ahead of time, because I'm not a complainer im solutions based
I certainly don't feel that anythings ruined or terrible and never said that, I'm not the panicked type at all. All i'm saying is lets not pretend the FO is infallible, and not to be questioned. which is a notion thats met with much resistance around here..
I say things could be better, i'm a malcontent in that way. I'd rather have a good rookie on a 4 year restricted deal than a good 30 year old that needs to be paid as such, i guess thats obtuse.
Criticizing the front office is one thing. Bringing up previous drafts and bitching about every instance where they failed to draft the BPA at their draft position is straight up, as you're fond of saying, asinine.
Anybody can use the power of hindsight to criticize anybody. That would be like me criticizing your parents for having a baby - obviously if they knew you would be the end result they never would've done it, but at the time they had no way of knowing.
The only "moves" you've proposed without the benefit of hindsight were maxing out Harrison Barnes and pursuing Dennis Schroder, one of which was a terrible idea and the other unrealistic.
Miggs
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But, but, he was the missing piece.
Game6Conley
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totally not true there's a very long list of **** I've had right ahead of time. ppl around here know this but have a lot of angst about admitting it..
Dennis Schroder was projected to fall right in the Jazz lap at 15 but instead they traded up for Burke, dunno how thats unrealistic.
Yeah that Harrison Barnes championship experience proved really valuable when he shot under 40% in the playoffs last year despite being virtually ignored by opposing defenses.
It should've been impossible to look bad while benefiting from the spacing that Curry, Thompson, and Green provided, but somehow Barnes managed it.
It should've been impossible to look bad while benefiting from the spacing that Curry, Thompson, and Green provided, but somehow Barnes managed it.
Game6Conley
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The Warriors don't even make the finals without some key Harrison Barnes 3's in the OKC series.. Tell the readers of this forum I'm lying about that.
Barnes has already set a new career high 31 points with the new team. He's averaging 18.5 ppg early in the season, tell me, are those flukes?
Miggs
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Yeah, Barnes' 20 points in the last three games combined (6.66 points per game) were what propelled the Dubs to the Finals. Rofl. You're a ****ing clown.
As far as this season goes, I mean, I know when I analyze whether something is a fluke or not, I typically use a sample size of five games. So yeah 18.5 per. Awesome. But as far as that production goes, yeah, someone's gotta score on the Mavs. I mean, don't get me wrong, he's a stud having led them to an 0-5 record and all. But I'm having some doubts.
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Game6Conley
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young players capable of 20ppg, shooting it from 3 well and playing defense and rebounding well are very tradeable in their mid 20's even on big deals.
Like Tobias Harris who I wanted the previous offseason..
Miggs
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Where am I doubting you bro? You're a genius. I love the forward thinking.