The Jazz agreed to terms with Elson
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NotDeadYet
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If Jefferson and Millsap both log 38 MPG, that would leave 20 MPG for some combination of Okur, Elson, Fesenko, and maybe AK, between PF & C. Or we could go small...
If Memo is out for any length of time, it could be scary. As competitive as the wild wild west has been, we would have a tough time even making the playoffs.
If Memo is out for any length of time, it could be scary. As competitive as the wild wild west has been, we would have a tough time even making the playoffs.
Zerol
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Memo being out means a bigger role for AK and Fesenko in the big men rotation, which can be a good thing for us.
Not sure if Millsap is able to play 38mpg. He tends to be in foul trouble a lot and my guess is he will be playing at around 32 minutes a night.
I am pretty confident that we are going to make the playoffs. I just hope we can have more length to compete with the Lakers. Replacing Boozer with Jefferson is a start and getting a healthy Okur back for playoffs will be good.
InGameStrategy
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Low 30 minutes--say, 33--for each of Millsap and Jefferson is optimal. That leaves (48-33)*2 = 15*2 = 30 minutes for the rest if the PF/C players. Fesenko should get 10-15 of those--more if he produces, maybe less if he doesn't. Just like he should have gotten all along.
Let the players' health and the frontcourt matchups (what a concept) determine who gets the other 15-20. In other words, Kiri has the potential to get significantly more PF time against some teams than others, but maybe he'll be needed more at the 3 (or even the 2). The thought of playing AK at the 4 has everything to do with how well Elder Hayward does and how slow, weak, and disinterested MediOkur is (even though he "plays hard").
If Matador Mehmet shows any sign of viability, expect a few minutes to be shaved from Millsap--and a few more to be shaved from any or all of Fesenko, Kiri, and the new Cisco Kid.
David Stern
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You're missing the positive here: no Boozer.
Stifle Tower
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Yeah, I agree. Elson >>>>>> Boozer.
NotDeadYet
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OK, at 33 MPG for Millsap and Jefferson, if Okur is out, that leaves 30 minutes for the Fes/Elson show. That's over half the ballgame with one or the other on the court. Seems like a bit much.
Hopefully we would be smart enough to NOT try and play them TOGETHER.
If AK gets maybe 10-15 MPG at PF, that would really help the situation.
Hopefully we would be smart enough to NOT try and play them TOGETHER.
If AK gets maybe 10-15 MPG at PF, that would really help the situation.
GVC
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I imagine Big Al will play exclusively at the 5 while Memo is out. If he gets 34 minutes per, there are only 14 minutes left for Fes + Elson. AK would then get the backup minutes at the 4.
NAOS
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NotDeadYet
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Something like this might work. I'm doubtful the Jazz will have Hayward learning 2 positions this year, and I've heard mention they see him as a SG anyway.
C Jefferson 33 MPG, Fes 7 MPG, Elson 8 MPG
PF Millsap 33 MPG, AK 15 MPG
SF Miles 31 MPG, AK 12 MPG, Evans 5 MPG
SG Bell 30 MPG, Hayward 18 MPG, Price
PG Williams 33 MPG, Price 15 MPG, Thompson
The Jazz are going to lose games they shouldn't if they're playing Price 15 MPG behind Deron.
Until Memo comes back, the rotation will be pretty close to this
Williams 36/some **** player 12
Bell 28/Miles 20
AK 16/Hayward 22/Miles 10
Millsap 32/AK 16
Jefferson 36/Elson or Fes 12
Until Memo comes back, the rotation will be pretty close to this
Williams 36/some **** player 12
Bell 28/Miles 20
AK 16/Hayward 22/Miles 10
Millsap 32/AK 16
Jefferson 36/Elson or Fes 12
Coloradojazzfan
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Can he catch the ball and secure it, without bobbling it for 2 seconds? If so, good pickup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0TQCnTmzCg#t=0m46s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0TQCnTmzCg#t=0m46s
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Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
We see things about the same. It's early in the season. I think the starters can/will play heavy minutes, especially with Okur out. Hayward will play some, but Sloan's not going to take the training wheels off just yet. Remember, Deron had MUCH more potential and Williams was sitting on the bench behind Palacio and McLeod in his rookie season.
C - Jefferson 36, Elson/Fes 12
PF - Millsap 34, AK 14
SF - AK 18, CJ 25, Evans 5
SG - Raja 28, Hayward 15, CJ 5
PG - Deron 38, Price/Gaines 10
I think the Jazz see Hayward as a SG. At least KOC does. We'll be o.k. until Okur comes back - as long as there are no other injuries.
I think it goes like:
With Okur:
5 Okur (28), Jefferson (8), Fess/Elson (12)
4 Jefferson (24), Millsap (24)
3 AK (28), Miles (15), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)
Without Okur:
5 Fess (18), Jefferson (12), Elson (18)
4 Jefferson (22), Millsap (26)
3 AK (26), Miles (17), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)
You have to remember, Millsap isn't really a starting PF, not when you have Jefferson.
AK isn't normally a PF with the Jazz, not when you have Jefferson and Millsap.
With Okur:
5 Okur (28), Jefferson (8), Fess/Elson (12)
4 Jefferson (24), Millsap (24)
3 AK (28), Miles (15), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)
Without Okur:
5 Fess (18), Jefferson (12), Elson (18)
4 Jefferson (22), Millsap (26)
3 AK (26), Miles (17), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)
You have to remember, Millsap isn't really a starting PF, not when you have Jefferson.
AK isn't normally a PF with the Jazz, not when you have Jefferson and Millsap.
InGameStrategy
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Um, Okur isn't really a starting C, not when you have Jefferson.
Millsap's gonna get 30+ MPG unless he's getting pwned.
AK + Jefferson might be a superior option to PM + AJ at the 4/5 in some circumstances.
I don't see MO + AJ (or AJ + MO) being a superior option unless the opposition isn't particularly quick or is especially tall. It will be very interesting to see if Jefferson alongside Okur or Millsap can handle the Twin Towers of Tinseltown better than Boozer and Millsap together could.
Seriously? Boozer is erased by the Lakers and Millsap is simply too short to come out as a net positive. If anything, a starting 4/5 of Jefferson and Okur might only make sense against the Lakers as Jefferson is going to get torched playing 4 against a lot of teams (and Odom will kill Jefferson just as bad as Boozer or worse if they end up matched against each other).
However, I am looking forward to seeing Bosh just get steam-rolled by Jefferson when he gets stuck guarding him in the post for one possession before The Heat have to hide him on D.
However, I am looking forward to seeing Bosh just get steam-rolled by Jefferson when he gets stuck guarding him in the post for one possession before The Heat have to hide him on D.
Yeah, I think Jefferson/Okur or even Jefferson/Fes gives up a better chance against the Lakers. Millsap is really what like 6'6" 6'7" at most. To small against Gasol/Bynum and Odom usually torches him as well.
