Joe Bagadonuts
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Hack's thread starting philosophy sucks. DL, please trade him.
The Jazz drafting philosophy sucks
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da ThRONe
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Where do some of you get your info? Burke short armed? He has a 6'5.5 wing span at slightly under 6' bare foot. That's a longer ratio than Hood, Hayward, Burks, Lyles, Neto and Exum. Burke is only behind Favors (slightly) and Gobert.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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My god hack!!! Don't be an effffing idiot!!! So, u know that Lyles is a bust after 30+ games, and that Booker will have the better career after 30+ games?!?!
I've said it once I've said it a thousand times!! Your an idiot!!!!
Hotdog
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Pssssss.
We aren't the Spurs or the Lakers, and we have no championships. I'm not sure why they have any relevance to this conversation. Their players and the choices they make have nothing to do with us. Let's not get delusional and claim their success is ours.
Hotdog
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That's all you say actually. It's predictable.
Frustrated and angry Thee is gonna call someone stupid? No way? Really? Didn't see that one coming.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Then for once in your life don't have a stupid opinion
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Hotdog
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You did more of proving my point. Those were two bad draft picks. How does that defend the Jazz drafting philosophy?
Kanter was not high potential either. He was an unathletic stiff who didn't project to be a great player. That's another more on the safe side pick. And, we didn't even need another big. It was bad pick all the way around. You can't defend that one.
Hotdog
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You can call me stupid and be over the top Homer's all you want, but your opinions don't match up with reality. Where is all this success that we are supposedly having?
Have we been one of the best teams in the NBA the last decade? Or have we been a team stuck in the middle drafting towards the late lottery?
Why not think in terms of reality and not pretend land?
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Boy hack, you really have turned into a terrible poster.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Did anybody else notice that the goal posts just moved?
Hotdog
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It's a windy day
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Omg. Are u being serious?!?! This is why all my posts directed at u are the same. Fact of the matter is we are rebuilding. Rebuilding is not just a 3-5 year process unless u get lucky by getting a LBJ or Curry type players, and there's a lot of luck involved in that. Secondly... No team is perfect when it comes to the draft. Like the Jazz every team has their hits and misses. Also, it's important to recognize that just about every time they take a risk in the draft it blows up in their faces. Let's also not forget that they have had their share of success in the draft.
Just a few of our good picks...
AK47. 24th pick
Millsap second round.
Deron Williams 3rd pick. (Some experts will say he was better then cp3 during his Jazz days and his teams had more success then cp3's teams did )
Hayward, yes we missed on George, but none the less Hayward was one of the better players selected in the draft and we are lucky to have him.
Burks. 12th pick. One of the better 6th men in the league. By the way who was considered one of the more risky picks? Kanter. How'd that work for the Jazz.
Hood. 23rd pick. A lot of teams passed on him. He's actually doing more then both Hayward and George did their first two years. Not saying he will be as good or better, but u never know. Just interesting to think about
I'm probably missing some names, but damn Hack who's opinion doesn't match with reality?
Aren't u glad I didn't have the same old tiresome take of you're an idiot?
By the way, you're still an idiot!!
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Hotdog
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Is this want you people do when someone isn't like you? You try and exterminate them? Have you ever heard of Nazi's ?
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Nope.
Lots of posters are nothing like me.
You are the only one that I have said has recently turned into a very bad poster though.
vegas
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Fish has correctly pointed out that those guys don't fit in "don't take chances" box you have put the FO in.
From Kanter Draft Express:
So they had a sample size of 6 games, 2 with college level competition. Yeah he was a very safe pick alright, no risk/reward factor at all.
Cuz mixed messages=model citizen ("good guys").
From Kirk Snyder Draft Express:
Exum was seen as the highest if not, one of the highest risk/reward picks of his draft.
So of the 3 top 5 picks the Jazz had since the 80s, 2 of them were high bust potential picks since they were players that had hardly played at a competitive level. You are right, the conservative Jazz never take chances.
I have one comment on drafting Burke.
Wasn't the rumor that Corbin was the one that really, really wanted Burke and that is the main reason we drafted him? If so I'm not sure I can pin that fully on DL/KOC/whoever even if they did sign off on it. I don't know if the pick is a correct representation of drafting philosophy though.
Wasn't the rumor that Corbin was the one that really, really wanted Burke and that is the main reason we drafted him? If so I'm not sure I can pin that fully on DL/KOC/whoever even if they did sign off on it. I don't know if the pick is a correct representation of drafting philosophy though.
Not to mentioned that he dropped a Goodwin on you.
Guess that's what he does when someone isn't like him.
I think DL came out at that time and said Burke was drafted because of Corbin.
But for me that still lands on the GM. He was the man in charge and he made the choice. Corbin might of been pushing hard for Burke but welcome to being the man DL. You get the credit and the blame.
Game6Conley
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meh.. I'll break my silence to comment here. This is an interesting topic. I like roster composition/draft strategy talks..
The Trey Lyles(Who's got 21 starts and counting) comments from OP are biased, he holds a grudge against Trey, who's 20...Let me repeat that again - He holds a grudge against Trey, who's 20!!!! Hack's the Violet Beauregard of Jazzfanz. these type of threads and their tone, fall right in line...
To say Lyles doesn't have the potential for incremental advances, year-over-year, is the assessment of a fool. Obviously, it's too early to call definitively - he's 9/23 from 3 on the season and still, he's not earned any slack from some here!?!?...
For now, he's shooting the NBA 3 better than the college 3... He's certainly far from hopeless, it's absurd to even use that word when speaking on Lyles.. Big guys take longer to develop, Trey's certainly been showing better lately. He's great for the ball-movement, I don't think he's easily replaceable at-all, certainly not at his pay grade.. That's not what I want to talk about though..
It's also worthy of note that the Jazz have had many lottery picks of late and usually players with notorious attitude issues aren't even in that range.. If they didn't take Lyles, I'd have wen't with Cameron Payne or Devin Booker, both of whom present themselves as good guys all the time, Payne's a gregarious southerner.
I do think the Jazz could use 2 or 3 rotation players with some serious attitude, and I do think they could take more fliers on risky players in the 2nd round, because of their glut of picks. Trevor Booker certainly fits this profile I'd say so does Rudy... I'd imagine that's what they were hoping for from lil Sap.. And now Chris Johnson, Raul Neto, maybe Favors or Withey... I'm not sure if that type of 'nasty' attitude is something you want to pay a premium for in the NBA draft though, over time it'd prove to be misleading -- Thats what got Tyrus Thomas drafted so high..right?
Also I'd contend you can find those type of players in the 2nd round... Draygoon Green might ring a bell..
Now as far as the draft strategy, I think what their doing and have been doing, is pretty good, dunno how you could argue otherwise.. Maybe don't always grab the BPA, who does though?!? They're certainly damn accurate, which counts for plenty, Hood and Gobert are nothing less than grade A+ picks, in the 20's..
Hayward has proven to be a great pick.. Neto looks like a damn serviceable 2nd round pick.. Trey Burke's recouping plenty of value in his pivotal 3rd season - A great sign.
Burks has been steadily improving, Dwayne Wade called him the most underrated player in the NBA the other day.. He's 36% from 3 for his career, and 38% in the last 2 seasons combined, how could anyone with reasonable standards argue he wasn't a good pick? Sure he wasn't the best possible pick, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick though..
It's too early to call the Exum pick. I think it will prove to be a worthy gamble though, they surely could've done much worse.
Kanter was certainly a good pick too... They didn't get a good return for him, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick. He's currently the 17th highest paid player in the league and 23, 2 teams that weren't the one that drafted him appraised him to be worthy of that contract -- Which certainly justifies taking him 3rd overall..
When it comes to the Jazz and the draft recently. I'd equate it to hitting in baseball.. They're hitting at least .300 which is well above league average.. Which also means they've earned the benefit of the doubt.. Now also at the same time, they've stocked up extra picks, meaning any concerns could potentially be filled in any number of ways, AKA There's little reason to be concerned with anything Jazz/Draft related...
The Trey Lyles(Who's got 21 starts and counting) comments from OP are biased, he holds a grudge against Trey, who's 20...Let me repeat that again - He holds a grudge against Trey, who's 20!!!! Hack's the Violet Beauregard of Jazzfanz. these type of threads and their tone, fall right in line...
To say Lyles doesn't have the potential for incremental advances, year-over-year, is the assessment of a fool. Obviously, it's too early to call definitively - he's 9/23 from 3 on the season and still, he's not earned any slack from some here!?!?...
For now, he's shooting the NBA 3 better than the college 3... He's certainly far from hopeless, it's absurd to even use that word when speaking on Lyles.. Big guys take longer to develop, Trey's certainly been showing better lately. He's great for the ball-movement, I don't think he's easily replaceable at-all, certainly not at his pay grade.. That's not what I want to talk about though..
It's also worthy of note that the Jazz have had many lottery picks of late and usually players with notorious attitude issues aren't even in that range.. If they didn't take Lyles, I'd have wen't with Cameron Payne or Devin Booker, both of whom present themselves as good guys all the time, Payne's a gregarious southerner.
I do think the Jazz could use 2 or 3 rotation players with some serious attitude, and I do think they could take more fliers on risky players in the 2nd round, because of their glut of picks. Trevor Booker certainly fits this profile I'd say so does Rudy... I'd imagine that's what they were hoping for from lil Sap.. And now Chris Johnson, Raul Neto, maybe Favors or Withey... I'm not sure if that type of 'nasty' attitude is something you want to pay a premium for in the NBA draft though, over time it'd prove to be misleading -- Thats what got Tyrus Thomas drafted so high..right?
Also I'd contend you can find those type of players in the 2nd round... Draygoon Green might ring a bell..
Now as far as the draft strategy, I think what their doing and have been doing, is pretty good, dunno how you could argue otherwise.. Maybe don't always grab the BPA, who does though?!? They're certainly damn accurate, which counts for plenty, Hood and Gobert are nothing less than grade A+ picks, in the 20's..
Hayward has proven to be a great pick.. Neto looks like a damn serviceable 2nd round pick.. Trey Burke's recouping plenty of value in his pivotal 3rd season - A great sign.
Burks has been steadily improving, Dwayne Wade called him the most underrated player in the NBA the other day.. He's 36% from 3 for his career, and 38% in the last 2 seasons combined, how could anyone with reasonable standards argue he wasn't a good pick? Sure he wasn't the best possible pick, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick though..
It's too early to call the Exum pick. I think it will prove to be a worthy gamble though, they surely could've done much worse.
Kanter was certainly a good pick too... They didn't get a good return for him, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick. He's currently the 17th highest paid player in the league and 23, 2 teams that weren't the one that drafted him appraised him to be worthy of that contract -- Which certainly justifies taking him 3rd overall..
When it comes to the Jazz and the draft recently. I'd equate it to hitting in baseball.. They're hitting at least .300 which is well above league average.. Which also means they've earned the benefit of the doubt.. Now also at the same time, they've stocked up extra picks, meaning any concerns could potentially be filled in any number of ways, AKA There's little reason to be concerned with anything Jazz/Draft related...