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The Night Sloan resigned...

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https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56511548-87/miller-sloan-jazz-williams.html.csp

I picked out the bits that Miller recounted below:

"Jerry said, ‘If you’re going to change the play, it would be nice if you’d let the rest of the team know so we’ve got a chance at scoring,’ or something like that," Miller said. "He kind of reprimanded Deron and Deron said, ‘My bad.’ "

Miller added: "If he would have left it right there, Jerry may have never left."

Miller said he did not hear what Williams said to Sloan after "My bad," but that center Al Jefferson reached over to calm him down. Then, he said, Sloan walked away from the team, skipping the usual analysis from assistant coaches. He walked past Miller on his way to the coaches’ offices and, Miller recalled, Sloan said, "I’d like to have a word with you after the game."

"We all kind of stopped right there," Miller said, "and Deron Williams was right behind us and he said, ‘Yeah and I want to be in the meeting, too.’ And then Jerry said, ‘Do you want me to just quit right now?’ "

Miller said he followed Sloan into his office and told him, "I want you to be very clear on one thing. If anything ever got to the point where we had to make the choice between a player and you as our head coach, we would side with you 100 times out of 100."

"He said, ‘You’re not hearing me, I’m out of gas,’ " Miller recalled.

"I could have gotten down on my knees and groveled," he said. " I could have thrown a chair through the wall and said, ‘This isn’t going to happen, stay here.’ I just said, ‘Jerry I’ve got to respect your decision; if you’re done, you’re done. I’m not happy about it.’ "
 
Except for the part where Greg says he doesn't know what Deron said, that's all true.
 
^^^

Sooo... I guess it's now officially confirmed that DWill chased Sloan out of town.
Nope, just the opposite. According to Miller (and I don't entirely believe him), Greg would have supported Sloan over Deron.

I remember there were media reports BEFORE this one incident that mentioned Deron was refusing to run or changing plays. Allegedly, Sloan wanted disciplinary action taken against Williams (suspension?), but KOC refused. The incident cited above was the final straw that broke Sloan's back.
 
Except for the part where Greg says he doesn't know what Deron said, that's all true.

Agreed. Miller knows what DWill said to Sloan when Big Al had to break up that "fight".

Nope, just the opposite. According to Miller (and I don't entirely believe him), Greg would have supported Sloan over Deron.

I remember there were media reports BEFORE this one incident that mentioned Deron was refusing to run or changing plays. Allegedly, Sloan wanted disciplinary action taken against Williams (suspension?), but KOC refused. The incident cited above was the final straw that broke Sloan's back.

Yeah but at the core of it, if DWill hadn't "talked back" at Sloan, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
Yeah but at the core of it, if DWill hadn't "talked back" at Sloan, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
True. I'm just sayin' nothing will change the minds of the Deron lovers on this board (and I'm NOT one of them). They'll still say it was Sloan's decision to quit (technically correct) and the organization would have supported him (technically correct according to Greg). In the end, I do agree that dealing with Diva Williams day after day was what caused Jerry to just run out of gas. And I truly believe had KOC approached Sloan a month earlier, told him he agreed Deron was causing problems and to just hang tight until the deadline, Jerry would still be our coach.
 
If Jerry left because of that he is really really weak.

I'm sure it was a build up over time. Maybe Deron was doing this too often, and Sloan felt he was losing control.

I doubt that one argument was the main reason he quit.
 
True. I'm just sayin' nothing will change the minds of the Deron lovers on this board (and I'm NOT one of them). They'll still say it was Sloan's decision to quit (technically correct) and the organization would have supported him (technically correct according to Greg). In the end, I do agree that dealing with Diva Williams day after day was what caused Jerry to just run out of gas.

Yes and Greg said this:

Miller added: "If he would have left it right there, Jerry may have never left."

The Millers and KOC probably offered to reprimand DWill after the incident, but by then it was too late for Sloan. Once his mind's made up, his mind's made up.
 
If Jerry left because of that he is really really weak.

I'm sure it was a build up over time. Maybe Deron was doing this too often, and Sloan felt he was losing control.

I doubt that one argument was the main reason he quit.

I think Core4's idea that the incident was "the final straw that broke Sloan's back", is a pretty good summation of the situation.
 
I think Core4's idea that the incident was "the final straw that broke Sloan's back", is a pretty good summation of the situation.

I still don't think it's clear if

1. there was a history of Deron and Sloan having problems
2. If Jerry was just tired in general, traveling, + having dealing with players.
3. This one bad night just came up out of nowhere, and no one really saw it coming
 
I still don't think it's clear if

1. there was a history of Deron and Sloan having problems
2. If Jerry was just tired in general, traveling, + having dealing with players.
3. This one bad night just came up out of nowhere, and no one really saw it coming

Agreed. But then doesn't the incident become the "straw that break the camel's back?"
 
I still don't think it's clear if

1. there was a history of Deron and Sloan having problems
2. If Jerry was just tired in general, traveling, + having dealing with players.
3. This one bad night just came up out of nowhere, and no one really saw it coming

1. It had been going on for a really long time. Previous to this, Deron had gone to the media and openly criticized Jerry for not watching more film. Before this, he had criticized them for their practice sessions. He had been angry over a number of issues:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-williamsjazz021111

Williams has long been bothered that he started just 47 games during his 2005-06 rookie season while journeyman Keith McLeod(notes) received 32 starts and Milt Palacio 18. Nor did Williams always like it when Sloan played him at shooting guard. In more recent seasons, Williams admittedly has been frustrated by a multitude of issues, including the franchise’s aversion to change and Sloan’s minimal game-tape breakdown sessions.

Williams’ complaints often came out in a passive-aggressive manner

2. I'm sure this factored into it as well. But despite Greg's "support." Look at it from Sloan's perspective. Ok, Greg "says" that he supports him 100 times out of 100. Yet, that doesn't meant that the Jazz will trade Deron. In Sloan's view, he probably thought, "Sigh. In a day or two they'll meet with Deron. Tell him to be nice. And this will all be swept under the rug. No way are they going to trade the franchise player because of an aging coach who is on his last leg. I've had it. F-this." Besides, I'm sure in a way, this was a nice way of giving the Jazz the finger and really making things hard for Deron. When you're pissed off at work the last thing you are going to do is think rationally. I would assume that jerry was still pissed at the whole thing and essentially "pouted." Jerry come back! NO. Please! No, I'm tired. Pleasepleaseplease! This is gonna be a PR nightmare! Hehehe I certainly hope so! Still not coming back!

Furthermore, why do we think that Greg had the final say? Who do we assume the entire jazz organization was behind Jerry 100 percent? I imagine that much of the organization, the GM in particular, probably supported the superstar over a coach who was probably going to retire anyway. I agree with Gunther's theory, that the Deron trade was more of Gail being pissed at him running Sloan out of town. She did what her husband would have done. Do what was best for the long term health of the entire organization. Cut your losses and move on.

3. It had been going on for quite some time. Deron and Jerry had been involved in feuds for a while previous to this incident. Furthermore, Deron had become a bigtime cancer to the team. Deron wasn't happy here. He didn't want to stay for the rebuilding. It was obvious. The marriage was deteriorating for both parties.

Want more evidence?

Remember this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urE_fCp7e5s

Everything is NOT right in Zion. This doesn't display a superstar who is willing to work with these young players and rebuild. It looks like a guy who is ready to bail and play for a competitor. He must have been really pissed seeing that he was sent to the Nets.
 
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Sorry guys, get me caught up. What did DWill say after the initial "My Bad..." comment talking back to Sloan?
 
Agreed. Miller knows what DWill said to Sloan when Big Al had to break up that "fight".



Yeah but at the core of it, if DWill hadn't "talked back" at Sloan, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Or if he had decided to play with the team and run the plays........
 
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Sooo... I guess it's now officially confirmed that DWill chased Sloan out of town.

Well you could also argue that Jerry quit. If that is all DW said then it was time for SLoan to go because I can assure you that Sloan had to deal with a lot worse than that from Ostertag and Malone.
 
It was time for both of them to move on. Each for his own good and the good of the team. Sad that it happened the way it did, and I still don't care for Duron. If Kidd makes it to Christmas without a run-in with Williams I will bring the bear to the annual Castle Dale Jazzfanzer New Years get together.
 
It was time for both of them to move on. Each for his own good and the good of the team. Sad that it happened the way it did, and I still don't care for Duron. If Kidd makes it to Christmas without a run-in with Williams I will bring the bear to the annual Castle Dale Jazzfanzer New Years get together.

This is a pretty safe bet.

Deron has gone through... What? 3 coaches? In his time with the Nets.
 
Seems from the interview that the Diva trade was Greg's idea after seeing what NJ had been willing to offer for Crymello, and pretty much knowing that Diva wasnt coming back. And that they had to talk Gail into it. Glad they finally got the truth out there.
 
Greg Miller Is A Real Piece Of ****. Keep This Stuff In House. What A Loser Miller Has Ruined This Franchise And His Dad Would Be Ashamed Of His Spoiled And Incompetent Son. Go Play With Your Toys Greg You Piece Of Trash - Leave The Jazz And How To Operate A Team To People Who Care About The Sport. Sign A Petition To Get Greg Miller And Tyrone Corbin Out Of Town!!!!!!!!
 
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