The Real Problem with the Team and Starting Line-Up

[Julie Greengiant]

I would agree if Marvin wasn't missing so many wide open shots these days

 

[Sandy Braille]

Its Marvin and Watson.

Let us not forget Marvin makes 8 mil a year.

Marvin is garbage, but Watson is simply an absolute cancer. Today all three of them were equally inept.

 

[Matthew Thomas Castleton]

Favors-Kanter-Carroll-Hayward-burks. This is the best line up so far this year. AJ and paul millsap can come off bench and play 10-14 minutes each.

Yep. However, I would still keep Hayward and Burks on the bench, as Mo Williams NEEDS to start. We need Derrick and Enes up front to beat up the other teams interior, like we did tonight. Millsap and Jefferson would kill teams off the bench. Randy Foye plays better with Mo Williams. Marvin Williams needs to be BENCHED!!!!!! Not only is DeMarre Carroll ridiculously outplaying him, but so is rarely-used Jeremy Evans, who needs MORE PLAYING TIME!!!!!! Jeremy puts up 14 points, 9 rebounds, and 2 blocked shots and he can't even get of the bench. I want this depth chart:

PG: Maurice Williams, Alec Burks, Earl Watson
SG: Randy Foye, Gordon Hayward, Kevin Murphy
SF: DeMarre Carroll, Jeremy Evans, Marvin Williams
PF: Enes Kanter, Paul Millsap, Marvin Williams
C: Derrick Favors, Al Jefferson, Enes Kanter

 

[The Norm]

PER means nothing, just use your goddamn eyes. Watson cannot shoot, cannot drive, is a sub-par passer, can't push in transition, can't draw fouls, can't screen, can't cut, can't defend anyone below the age of 34.

Someone please name one attribute he is above average in. Or even average for that matter

Um, I was agreeing with you. Apparently PER means something because it backs up what you're saying.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's Earl Watson. ****ing Earl Watson.


Look, Marvin sucks and Foye isn't much more than a 3pt shooter, but they suffer greatly from the fact that no one ever has to guard Watson. I really think we will see a boost in the starting lineup production across the board once Watson is out and Mo is back.

Question is: will watson actually be out when mo comes back? or will burks be out?

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Question is: will watson actually be out when mo comes back? or will burks be out?

Probably Burks. Corbin was saying after the game how Burks was playing out of position.

 

[fishonjazz]

I mean there was a point in the 3rd quarter that Watson had the ball at the top of the FT arch wide open, he dribbles about 10' into the paint, still wide open. Then bricks a layup. The way he shot the layup was like someone was forcing him to kill his own mother.

I remember that play... it was hilarious. All the bucks players just kept backing away from watson as he got closer to the hoop, just hoping that watson would shoot it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would agree if Marvin wasn't missing so many wide open shots these days

Yeah, there is that. But how many fast break opportunities do we ever get with Watson leading the break? We get Mo pushing the ball and we get Marvin finishing some things at the rim to get him going. I really think Mo is going to boost Marvin's game to something that resembles something of value.

 

[The Norm]

Well, I see your point, but you could also look at it that Ty wants the bench to remain a strength of the team while keeping Hayward/Burks together at the 1/2 position.

I seriously doubt that's the reason, but assuming it is, it's stupid - we've lost countless games because of getting destroyed at the start of 1st and 3rd quarters. And it still doesn't explain why Marvin is starting over Carroll.

 

[Weezur]

Question is: will watson actually be out when mo comes back? or will burks be out?

Isn't that the million dollar question?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Probably Burks. Corbin was saying after the game how Burks was playing out of position.

He did do a ****ty job of post entry passes, but he came up huge in the 4th quarter.

 

[Matthew Thomas Castleton]

Probably Burks. Corbin was saying after the game how Burks was playing out of position.

If Alec Burks does not continue to get playing time when Mo comes back, Tyrone Corbin needs to be fired. Burks is great coming off the bench with Gordon Hayward because Gordon has point-forward play-making ability.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I seriously doubt that's the reason, but assuming it is, it's stupid - we've lost countless games because of getting destroyed at the start of 1st and 3rd quarters. And it still doesn't explain why Marvin is starting over Carroll.

I just can't blame the loss entirely on a bad 3rd quarter when we had a chance to win the game at the FT line (the easiest place to win games) late in the 4th quarter. You can rarely blame losses on singular events or runs, but in the case of late game FT's, you kind of can.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Alec Burks does not continue to get playing time when Mo comes back, Tyrone Corbin needs to be fired. Burks is great coming of the bench with Gordon Hayward because Gordon has point-forward play-making ability.

I will switch my neutral Corbin stance to one of contempt if Watson 1/3 of the minutes Burks gets.

 

[The Norm]

I just can't blame the loss entirely on a bad 3rd quarter when we had a chance to win the game at the FT line (the easiest place to win games) late in the 4th quarter. You can rarely blame losses on singular events or runs, but in the case of late game FT's, you kind of can.

For me it's really not about this loss. It's about the same stupid mistakes from our coach over and over that hurt our chances virtually every game. The frustration adds up.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Um, I was agreeing with you. Apparently PER means something because it backs up what you're saying.

I know, I know. I just hate seeing people cite it. It is one of my least favourite stats out there. I've seen people use to it prove that Demarre Carroll is an end-of-the-bench player on other forums.

 

[The Norm]

I know, I know. I just hate seeing people cite it. It is one of my least favourite stats out there. I've seen people use to it prove that Demarre Carroll is an end-of-the-bench player on other forums.

I have a hard time believing this considering Carroll's PER is really good.

 

[fishonjazz]

I will switch my neutral Corbin stance to one of contempt if Watson 1/3 of the minutes Burks gets.

this is you being neutral about corbin? You defend every move he makes

 

[fishonjazz]

I know, I know. I just hate seeing people cite it. It is one of my least favourite stats out there. I've seen people use to it prove that Demarre Carroll is an end-of-the-bench player on other forums.

That doesn't make sense..... Doesn't PER help to prove that demarre is actually very good and should be playing more? (since he has a good per)

 

[Sandy Braille]

That doesn't make sense..... Doesn't PER help to prove that demarre is actually very good and should be playing more? (since he has a good per)

People used it at the beginning of this season by saying Demarre shouldn't be a rotation player, because his PER in last season and the playoffs was so low. I said it was hogwash, because his on-court contributions easily supersedes what 99% of box scores out there can record.


Looking back on that gives me one of very, very many examples on how useless PER is.