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If Mike leaves you are hoping to flip Bojan or JC into a pg and it won't be a big name brand one. It could get really ugly really fast.
 
You still have to fill out the rest of the roster and end up under the apron... so you are looking at ditching Favs and Clarkson for zero salary if you bring in Kyle.

So maybe Toronto says JC/Favs/#30 for Lowry... but Kyle will also likely get more than $15M... he will cost more than Mike imo. I'd guess he is $20M plus.
And we're again spending that much on a PG on the wrong side of 30...
 
You still have to fill out the rest of the roster and end up under the apron... so you are looking at ditching Favs and Clarkson for zero salary if you bring in Kyle.

So maybe Toronto says JC/Favs/#30 for Lowry... but Kyle will also likely get more than $15M... he will cost more than Mike imo. I'd guess he is $20M plus.

In the end Lowry wouldn’t be the worst pivot. He is probably best case scenario if Mike left.

I’d also look at DeRozan, I know he’d likely cost Bogey/Clarkson/30. Have Mitchell at full time PG. Then hopefully dump Favors and get another starter with the MLE.

I don’t know exactly how well he’d fit in but:

Mitchell
DeRozan
Royce
Gobert

Use the MLE on a SG/SF. It’s interesting. Totally just spitballing here so don’t attack me with DeRozan sucks or he wouldn’t fit in here please.

I know Lonzo would have to force his way here too but so would Lowry/DeRozan/anyone making more than the MLE. Clarkson/Favors/30 for Lonzo works too.
 
Doke was an absolute powerhouse in college. He has much better hands than Rudy and has much more functional athleticism than Rudy. I am sad he was injured and buried behind Favors and didn’t get to show his stuff. Doke can physically overwhelm people in ways Rudy can’t. Doke is built like a Grizzly bear but has a 37 inch vertical. That is NUTS.

I wasn’t critical of the Doke pick, but the Doke pick in conjunction with signing Fav made zero sense. We need to get off of Fav’s contract. Period. That should be objective number one this offseason.
 
In the end Lowry wouldn’t be the worst pivot. He is probably best case scenario if Mike left.

I’d also look at DeRozan, I know he’d likely cost Bogey/Clarkson/30. Have Mitchell at full time PG. Then hopefully dump Favors and get another starter with the MLE.

I don’t know exactly how well he’d fit in but:

Mitchell
DeRozan
Royce
Gobert

Use the MLE on a SG/SF. It’s interesting. Totally just spitballing here so don’t attack me with DeRozan sucks or he wouldn’t fit in here please.

I know Lonzo would have to force his way here too but so would Lowry/DeRozan/anyone making more than the MLE. Clarkson/Favors/30 for Lonzo works too.
Just trust me here... if Mike leaves we are not replacing him with players of his caliber. It will be non-brand guys. And it could be fairly ugly.

Our cap situation and asset situation mean we will have VERY limited options... doesn't mean something can't spring loose. Think less along the lines of Lowry, Derozan and more along the lines of Rozier, Wright, Payne, Rubio, Bledsoe (told you it gets ugly). We would likely shift Don to pg move Joe to starting lineup... and add a depth piece behind them.
 
Just trust me here... if Mike leaves we are not replacing him with players of his caliber. It will be non-brand guys. And it could be fairly ugly.

Our cap situation and asset situation mean we will have VERY limited options... doesn't mean something can't spring loose. Think less along the lines of Lowry, Derozan and more along the lines of Rozier, Wright, Payne, Rubio, Bledsoe (told you it gets ugly). We would likely shift Don to pg move Joe to starting lineup... and add a depth piece behind them.
As long as Don and Rudy are on the team, the floor is still Western Conference playoff team, so it can’t get THAT ugly. But we have no chance of replacing Conley with anything close to Conley.

I do hope Conley comes back on a team friendly deal. I’m okay with an overpay if we are only committed to a year of Conley with the second year partially or unguaranteed.

If the plan is to pivot hard or rebuild next year if we don’t go deep, I could see a short term overpay type deal be what ends up happening.

I think the biggest possible shake-up we see this offseason (assuming Mike wants to come back) is a trade of Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, or a combination of those guys.

A trade of Fav, to me, seems close to a certainty. The question is if we can get off his contract without attaching picks. If Portland will do a DJJ for Fav deal (which they might, cause they need post help), I think you gotta do it. DJJ is at least young, potentially rotation quality, his deal is a year shorter, and plays a position of need. It’s a shuffling of chairs, but I think it’s a step towards putting the chairs where they need to be.

What I hope to see next year is the Don, Rudy, Conley core supported by a much different supporting cast of players (hopefully younger, longer, and more athletic). If that doesn’t work, it’s time to press the reset button next offseason.
 
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Just trust me here... if Mike leaves we are not replacing him with players of his caliber. It will be non-brand guys. And it could be fairly ugly.

Our cap situation and asset situation mean we will have VERY limited options... doesn't mean something can't spring loose. Think less along the lines of Lowry, Derozan and more along the lines of Rozier, Wright, Payne, Rubio, Bledsoe (told you it gets ugly). We would likely shift Don to pg move Joe to starting lineup... and add a depth piece behind them.
You know if DL was here he'd bring back Rubio and his stupid sexy hair.
 
You know if DL was here he'd bring back Rubio and his stupid sexy hair.
If he were a FA he actually wouldn't be a bad pickup if he were willing to come off the bench (don't think he would, especially with the history here -- but hey, DL is gone so maybe he'd feel better about it).
 
Just trust me here... if Mike leaves we are not replacing him with players of his caliber. It will be non-brand guys. And it could be fairly ugly.

Our cap situation and asset situation mean we will have VERY limited options... doesn't mean something can't spring loose. Think less along the lines of Lowry, Derozan and more along the lines of Rozier, Wright, Payne, Rubio, Bledsoe (told you it gets ugly). We would likely shift Don to pg move Joe to starting lineup... and add a depth piece behind them.

If Lowry or DeRozan wanted to play for Utah we could make it happen. These scenarios all depend on that of course.
 
I don't know about him moving on... sounds like he is very much still involved. Donnie was there a long time because he didn't mind Cuban pulling the puppet strings.
The difference in his presence in the media and how vocal he was with the NBA in general and his team in particular is clear. He was borderline rabid. How much have you heard from him since they won a ring? Sure he still owns it, of course he's involved, but it's obvious to even the most casual observer that his intensity in regards to this particular hobby is greatly diminished.
 
The difference in his presence in the media and how vocal he was with the NBA in general and his team in particular is clear. He was borderline rabid. How much have you heard from him since they won a ring? Sure he still owns it, of course he's involved, but it's obvious to even the most casual observer that his intensity in regards to this particular hobby is greatly diminished.
Maybe... I think they got tired of covering it. I think he's still really involved... maybe not as passionate as he once was. I've been to a few Mavs road games and he was still in attendance (in the Bay Area so may have had other stuff to do).

I think he may have also made a conscious choice to at least make it look like he's pulled back in part because of the **** storm that went on there. Would look pretty damning if he was super involved with all that BS going on.
 
Maybe... I think they got tired of covering it. I think he's still really involved... maybe not as passionate as he once was. I've been to a few Mavs road games and he was still in attendance (in the Bay Area so may have had other stuff to do).

I think he may have also made a conscious choice to at least make it look like he's pulled back in part because of the **** storm that went on there. Would look pretty damning if he was super involved with all that BS going on.
All of that is possible but I still think the timing was telling. He was crazy involved then they won a ring then he pulled back. I think he is still obviously the owner, obviously involved, obviously cares, but also obviously isn't as driven to get every edge he can to win it again. There are degrees to this and it's funny when so many people can't fathom nuance. It isn't all or nothing but there was a definite drop-off in intensity. It's like the first time a teenager has sex. They do everything in their power to get it done, but afterwards they still want it, opportunistically get it when they can, seek it out, and all that, but the level of obsession definitely drops a few notches.
 
All of that is possible but I still think the timing was telling. He was crazy involved then they won a ring then he pulled back. I think he is still obviously the owner, obviously involved, obviously cares, but also obviously isn't as driven to get every edge he can to win it again. There are degrees to this and it's funny when so many people can't fathom nuance. It isn't all or nothing but there was a definite drop-off in intensity. It's like the first time a teenager has sex. They do everything in their power to get it done, but afterwards they still want it, opportunistically get it when they can, seek it out, and all that, but the level of obsession definitely drops a few notches.
This latter part is exactly how I (and probably everyone) here feels about a title. I’ve never experienced my team win it all and I’ve been at this foreplay too long. I’m really looking forward to that refractory period.
 
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