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Mormon counterculture revolutionaries/missionaries

I have many Mormon friends. Most go faithfully to their meetings and try to avoid the ward politics while being generally available to serve. Most are respectful and try to be understanding of others.

Typical of most, my last experience of being asked for advice was an older lady, meaning older than me, who has several gay clients she has treated for years in a professional and respectful way the same way I am treated. Two of these recently invited her to attend their "wedding" and she was feeling just mortified? If she went, would she be giving the impression that she morally supported such unions? She said she preferred to just not think about it, and generally wouldn't involve herself in such self-analysis, but she just felt uncomfortable.

I said most Mormons do the same thing by inviting non-LDS folks to their wedding ceremonies, or by running for national elected office, but nobody needs to do anything they just feel uncomfortable about. Period.

This whole human sense of community/civic responsibility/conforming to expectations/fear of being singled out as some kind of noncomplying anachronistic or non-cool person psychology just merits the indifference of the masses.

I think people who speak their minds clearly and fearlessly, without making it a personal attack, are works of art. Beautiful.

In my opinion, the whole concept of a "Prophet" or "leaders" annointed of God to direct the decisions of humans en masse is inherently non-conforming with a view of Christ as the teacher of individual conscience and personal morality.

Now that doesn't mean it's inconsistent with the idea of prophets and priests as recorded in the Bible, or with missionaries/apostles as seen in the New Testament, just that youngsters with excess enthusiasm for their own interpretations will need to learn intellectual balance in the long run. And learn to just say stuff without personal attack implications.
 
I have many Mormon friends. Most go faithfully to their meetings and try to avoid the ward politics while being generally available to serve. Most are respectful and try to be understanding of others.

Typical of most, my last experience of being asked for advice was an older lady, meaning older than me, who has several gay clients she has treated for years in a professional and respectful way the same way I am treated. Two of these recently invited her to attend their "wedding" and she was feeling just mortified? If she went, would she be giving the impression that she morally supported such unions? She said she preferred to just not think about it, and generally wouldn't involve herself in such self-analysis, but she just felt uncomfortable.

I said most Mormons do the same thing by inviting non-LDS folks to their wedding ceremonies, or by running for national elected office, but nobody needs to do anything they just feel uncomfortable about. Period.

This whole human sense of community/civic responsibility/conforming to expectations/fear of being singled out as some kind of noncomplying anachronistic or non-cool person psychology just merits the indifference of the masses.

I think people who speak their minds clearly and fearlessly, without making it a personal attack, are works of art. Beautiful.

In my opinion, the whole concept of a "Prophet" or "leaders" annointed of God to direct the decisions of humans en masse is inherently non-conforming with a view of Christ as the teacher of individual conscience and personal morality.

Now that doesn't mean it's inconsistent with the idea of prophets and priests as recorded in the Bible, or with missionaries/apostles as seen in the New Testament, just that youngsters with excess enthusiasm for their own interpretations will need to learn intellectual balance in the long run. And learn to just say stuff without personal attack implications.

How could they?
 
It really ain't much of a stretch after "listening" to you, in fact I consider the behavior I've witnessed from you and your Mormon friends to be far worse than the anti-mormons I've encountered.

Idiocy and retarded are synonyms, and you forgot some form of douche to stay in line with the other Mormons who have flung insults at me since joining this forum.

While much of your commentary is interesting in a train-wreck sort of way, it's difficult to see any credibility in what you say, as we really have no idea who or what you are. Do you find that hiding yourself away and cowering under a cloak of anonymity helps when passing judgement on others, based on your perceptions and understandings, and flexing your own self righteousness?

Just wondering.
 
Well this thread took a turn for the worse, can't stand when things turn into "religious discussions", bah now I have to ignore a thread I posted in. Guess I just don't see the point for the most part they all turn into endless bickering, name calling by both sides and general ignorance and nobody will ever concede or change their opinions. But I guess if your point (who ever turned the thread to this) was to end it then good job.

Hey look if you don't like whatever religion or lack of religion or whatever why put yourself through it. Look I know I don't like a-holes so guess what I avoid the proctologist office, LA fans and opinions, it's not that hard.
 
While much of your commentary is interesting in a train-wreck sort of way, it's difficult to see any credibility in what you say, as we really have no idea who or what you are. Do you find that hiding yourself away and cowering under a cloak of anonymity helps when passing judgement on others, based on your perceptions and understandings, and flexing your own self righteousness?

Just wondering.

You've had no problem telling me who I am up to this point. I'll always treasure that nasty P.M. you sent me.
 
It is kind of funny to think that there could be some Verawati in Indonesia right now telling the story of how this great pious missionary from Canada came across the seas and changed her life, while GVC is back in Canada smoking a joint at the same time.

Maybe she'd be interested in further spiritual enlightenment. Besides, i've heard that GVC is available.
 
Well this thread took a turn for the worse, can't stand when things turn into "religious discussions", bah now I have to ignore a thread I posted in. Guess I just don't see the point for the most part they all turn into endless bickering, name calling by both sides and general ignorance and nobody will ever concede or change their opinions. But I guess if your point (who ever turned the thread to this) was to end it then good job.

Hey look if you don't like whatever religion or lack of religion or whatever why put yourself through it. Look I know I don't like a-holes so guess what I avoid the proctologist office, LA fans and opinions, it's not that hard.

No kidding.

I demand that this topic get back on topic!

Three weeks until the election, and things are getting heated. I'm pretty sure that my opponent, who I like and respect, wants to take me out back and beat me with a rusty pitchfork. His kids glare at me from the audience, and his wife gives me the coldest stink-eye you've ever seen. My opponent has taken to my neighborhood where he has signs two doors down from my front porch, which really frosts my ***, but I can dig it. I don't sleep much. I'm losing weight again, but I'm not trying to this time.

I just need to win and get this crap over with.

Also, you're all jerks. (for you, babe)
 
No kidding.

I demand that this topic get back on topic!

Three weeks until the election, and things are getting heated. I'm pretty sure that my opponent, who I like and respect, wants to take me out back and beat me with a rusty pitchfork. His kids glare at me from the audience, and his wife gives me the coldest stink-eye you've ever seen. My opponent has taken to my neighborhood where he has signs two doors down from my front porch, which really frosts my ***, but I can dig it. I don't sleep much. I'm losing weight again, but I'm not trying to this time.

I just need to win and get this crap over with.

Also, you're all jerks. (for you, babe)

Two doors down? Rip it out of the ground and toss it. Or write the word SUCKS under his name.

I know, I know. Mature.
 
It really ain't much of a stretch after "listening" to you, in fact I consider the behavior I've witnessed from you and your Mormon friends to be far worse than the anti-mormons I've encountered.
I aim to please.

Idiocy and retarded are synonyms, and you forgot some form of douche to stay in line with the other Mormons who have flung insults at me since joining this forum.
What can I say? I like to think outside the box. If there are a lot of people flinging insults at you, what do think is the problem? Maybe it's the common denominator. If there is more than one person insulting a single person, what's the common denominator? I imagine you to have the same type of personality as my father-in-law: He's been divorced six times and can't figure out why. Here's a hint: it's the only common person in all these failed relationships.

What it boils down to for me is the fact that there is a limited number of people whose opinions I care about and who I care what they think of me. You aren't on that list.
 
No kidding.

I demand that this topic get back on topic!

Three weeks until the election, and things are getting heated. I'm pretty sure that my opponent, who I like and respect, wants to take me out back and beat me with a rusty pitchfork. His kids glare at me from the audience, and his wife gives me the coldest stink-eye you've ever seen. My opponent has taken to my neighborhood where he has signs two doors down from my front porch, which really frosts my ***, but I can dig it. I don't sleep much. I'm losing weight again, but I'm not trying to this time.

I just need to win and get this crap over with.

Also, you're all jerks. (for you, babe)
It might help if you actually some signs in your OWN yard. I expected to see at least a half dozen, but instead found none. Lame.
 
I aim to please.

What can I say? I like to think outside the box. If there are a lot of people flinging insults at you, what do think is the problem? Maybe it's the common denominator. If there is more than one person insulting a single person, what's the common denominator? I imagine you to have the same type of personality as my father-in-law: He's been divorced six times and can't figure out why. Here's a hint: it's the only common person in all these failed relationships.

What it boils down to for me is the fact that there is a limited number of people whose opinions I care about and who I care what they think of me. You aren't on that list.

The common denominator was already established. The few flinging insults are all Mormon, and I never had a "relationship" with any of them or cared to.

Do those who are bullied or verbally abused deserve it? I'm sure the mentality of the perpetrators is that they do, whether it is for their gender, their unpopular/opposing views, their questioning of the status quo, or what they look like.

Go ahead and give me your excuse for why I deserve it.
 
Don't you know Trout is too humble for self promotion?

Or it could be the fact that I live on a dead end, my neighbors already know that I'm running and want to make crazy man-love to me/my campaign, and that GOBS of my signs keep getting stolen so I have to replace them as needed. I don't have the funds to waste on putting a sign up in my yard.

Or your original point might be true.
 
Well this thread took a turn for the worse, can't stand when things turn into "religious discussions", bah now I have to ignore a thread I posted in. Guess I just don't see the point for the most part they all turn into endless bickering, name calling by both sides and general ignorance and nobody will ever concede or change their opinions. But I guess if your point (who ever turned the thread to this) was to end it then good job.

Hey look if you don't like whatever religion or lack of religion or whatever why put yourself through it. Look I know I don't like a-holes so guess what I avoid the proctologist office, LA fans and opinions, it's not that hard.

The way I look at it, we're the crowd in the mash pit and Trout is the star up above it all. . . . .

from what I hear, these pits are truely the pits and I sorta go in with a sense of humor to help me adjust to whatever happens. . . .

I like your posts when you're on topic though. Would a few morsels of cheese help you feel better about putting up with a doddering old dude who thinks everything comes from religion in the last analysis. . . ?
 
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