This is a loss.

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't aree with mormonism...but god damn I love their cheesy potatoes. My wife makes them for us Black Friday and keeps em coming until Christmas Day. I love this time of year.

Pair those with some honey baked ham... Christmas was funeral potatoes and honey baked ham back in the day. I could eat that for a week straight.

 

[green]

Pair those with some honey baked ham... Christmas was funeral potatoes and honey baked ham back in the day. I could eat that for a week straight.

YES! Look at you with the great ideas. My stomach is growling...

 

[JimLes]

Pair those with some honey baked ham...

Never mind all the politics, THIS is what's wrong with America and what will bring you all to ruin. Why the **** would you bake or boil ham instead of smoking and curing it? It blows my mind.

I was in staying in Phoenix metro and could not believe the paucity of proper cured meats(salumeria, if you will) at grocery stores. Your choice of cold cuts was turkey, cooked ham, or something called salami that most definitely isn't salami. The Walmart down the street from me has prosciutto, copa, Genoa and Calabrese salami, sopressata, serrano, and all sorts of other stuff along those lines. Walmart! I won't even get to the deli section at the Italian market in Calgary or Edmonton.

You couldn't pay me to eat ham if the pig was alive a year ago.

 

[Beer]

I don't care who wins. This is a loss.

The U.S. has shown who they (we) are.

We're the nation that started with slavery. We're the nation that didn't let women vote. We're the nation that slaughtered indigenous people. We're the nation that propped up dictators and fascists all around the world. We're the nation that when black people said that their live matter we said "you're blocking our streets, therefore we're justified to kill you."

When we have an opportunity to say "that's not who we are" we basically say "okay, that's is actually who we are."

We're not special. The United States is not special. There is nothing here that can't be had somewhere else. There is nothing about our character or our spirit that sets us apart.

America is average. All you rural people, you're just like the rural people all over the world. There's nothing extra about you. You're just a rural person. They have those other places too. They are just like you. Your gun is super cool, but no one cares. There are guns all over the place. Your gun isn't special.

Enjoy. Any one of us can live here or we can live somewhere else. There is no reason to pick this place. There is no special advantage to living here... unless you want to be a racist yokel. If that's the case then this is your special golden age. Take advantage!

I don't think you are necessarily wrong, but I do think you are being very overly dramatic.

Find me a country that hasn't been involved in slavery or hasn't been involved in fascicts or dictators one way or another, isn't overtly racist .... I get it we hold the good old U S of A to a different standard but when you compare it to everywhere else it's not as bad as we think. Not that is not an excuse to not do better, but lets not act like the USA is at the bottom of the pile all of the sudden. That would be intellectually dishonest. The past is very ugly for almost every country on earth. The USA is not even close to the most racist country, not even kind of close. Our economy is still pretty damn decent all things considered. We just have so many people and intricacies that its not fair to compare the US to small island countries with far less to deal with.

It's complicated, the US isn't even kind of close to perfect. But we also need to be realistic in how we look at things.

As far as @sirkickyass moving to Ukraine, I've spent a pretty decent amount of time there and that place is a **** hole in about every measurable way. Good luck with that.

 

[fishonjazz]

Why? Isn't their democracy even weaker than ours? Oh wait, don't answer that actually...

I think that might be a good move until 2025 when Trump 2.0 (Don jr) takes office and teams up with a host of corrupt oligarchs pillage Ukraine (even more) than they've already done.

Don't predict crap like this. Be hopeful man.
This is something a conspiracy theorist would say.

Hopefully you were just kidding

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[bigb]

Pair those with some honey baked ham... Christmas was funeral potatoes and honey baked ham back in the day. I could eat that for a week straight.

Stab a piece of ham with the fork and use that to scoop out some potatoes. Man, I’m hungry.


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[fishonjazz]

I think there's a lot to analyze here.

1. The segregation of our country. We've been polarizing our society since the mid 1960s. Even within states you see deep polarization.

2. At the same time we're seeing segregation in our country, we're seeing communities formed online that are nothing more than echo chambers for their preferred media and tribe. These echo chambers make one impervious to facts and radicalizes them. Qanon is a perfect example of this. People are creating their own communities online with its total effect on our democracy completely unknown.

3. The way we communicate, inform, and educate. The advent of the radio changed the way we communicated, were informed, and educated. The TV has had an even greater effect. No longer do we value information, only style. Remember how the NY Times reported that impeachment lacked the "Pizzazz" to hold our attention? TV media doesn't inform voters, but turns politics into a sport that is either won or lost. TV and social media is inhibiting the ways we communicate and retarding the way we think, articulate arguments, and otherwise make public discourse.

To borrow from the book, "Amusing ourselves to death" Orwell wrote about a society where information was carefully censored. The truth was kept from the masses. Huxley wrote about a society where information was flooded (most of it garbage) and the truth was indecipherable from fiction.

I think this is a real issue. After 4 years of this hell, million still think, "Hells yeah, I want 4 more years of this! Cry more lib!"

Perhaps we've reached the extent of liberal democracy? Perhaps we're actually on the long downslope towards oligarchy and authoritarianism? Have we ever thought about that? That our liberal democracy all the progress we've made, maybe gay marriage or the Civil Rights Act ( and the Great Society) was the pinnacle of what's possible for democracy in this county? Do societies ever known when their democracy has peaked and now backslide? Did Germany know back in 1932? Did Russia know back in the early 1990s? Will we? Western democracies all around appear to be backsliding, progress has halted. From the UK, to France, to the United States. Progress has halted in many of these democracies. Is this a speedbump or the start of something very sad?

Good, thoughtful post

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[green]

Never mind all the politics, THIS is what's wrong with America and what will bring you all to ruin. Why the **** would you bake or boil ham instead of smoking and curing it? It blows my mind.

I was in staying in Phoenix metro and could not believe the paucity of proper cured meats(salumeria, if you will) at grocery stores. Your choice of cold cuts was turkey, cooked ham, or something called salami that most definitely isn't salami. The Walmart down the street from me has prosciutto, copa, Genoa and Calabrese salami, sopressata, serrano, and all sorts of other stuff along those lines. Walmart! I won't even get to the deli section at the Italian market in Calgary or Edmonton.

You couldn't pay me to eat ham if the pig was alive a year ago.

Mmmmm. Us Americans are the Walmart of the world and we think we are the Tiffany's. It is what it is.

 

[green]

Stab a piece of ham with the fork and use that to scoop out some potatoes. Man, I’m hungry.


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[LogGrad98]

I don't aree with mormonism...but god damn I love their cheesy potatoes. My wife makes them for us Black Friday and keeps em coming until Christmas Day. I love this time of year.

When I lived in Leipzig Germany they had a potato festival where everyone got together at the church and brought their favorite potato dish. My wife made just short of a metric ton of funeral potatoes. They were gone within the first hour, maybe hour and a half. They loved them. So many asked for the recipe. And this in a country that is partially known for their potato dishes. Love them cheesy creamy mother****ers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Stab a piece of ham with the fork and use that to scoop out some potatoes. Man, I’m hungry.


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This is the proper technique... also get the ham from the honey baked ham store... don't get cheap its the holidays.

 

[bigb]

When I lived in Leipzig Germany they had a potato festival where everyone got together at the church and brought their favorite potato dish. My wife made just short of a metric ton of funeral potatoes. They were gone within the first hour, maybe hour and a half. They loved them. So many asked for the recipe. And this in a country that is partially known for their potato dishes. Love them cheesy creamy mother****ers.

I grew up calling them “sour cream potatoes”. That’s still what we call them at my parents. Maybe it’s because neither one of my parents grew up active.


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[leftyjace]

So just out of curiosity... as I observe the polarization of our nation, and see that the divide increasingly spans between urban and rural...
Does anybody else see correlation between the Capitol and the Districts in the Hunger Games saga?

 

[Miggs]

When I lived in Leipzig Germany they had a potato festival where everyone got together at the church and brought their favorite potato dish. My wife made just short of a metric ton of funeral potatoes. They were gone within the first hour, maybe hour and a half. They loved them. So many asked for the recipe. And this in a country that is partially known for their potato dishes. Love them cheesy creamy mother****ers.

Leipzig!!! Just bet them today. They won!!!

****, wrong team. They play tomorrow I think.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

 

[The Thriller]

Don't predict crap like this. Be hopeful man.
This is something a conspiracy theorist would say.

Hopefully you were just kidding

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Not quite sure anymore.

If Fox News and Facebook began calling for the rounding up of fellow citizens to re-education camps and “showers” for large swaths of their perceived enemies, would Fox News viewers stand up for those citizens or gleefully cheer on the brownshirts? “Cry harder libs!”

Think Jesse Kelly would? I used to think that these were the outliers. Now I see this is half the electorate.


It’s really quite scary how brainwashed half the electorate is. So many actually think Trump is a good president and Biden was Vlad Lenin. We’re creating echo chambers that are immunizing our fellow citizens against facts and radicalizing to be right wing zombies. It’s probably only a matter of time before a Fox News for the left springs up (no MSNBC isn’t close to that).



He articulates it better than I can.

I think Fox News and Facebook definitely need to be analyzed. The effects they’re having on our society is tremendously dangerous. How many of the electorate thinks that Q is real and covid isn’t?

 

[Avery]

Funeral potatoes are the bomb. However, I would venture that properly made dutch-oven potatoes with a hint of garlic are the bee's knees.

 

[The Thriller]

Our democracy is being shredded by Facebook. It’s impact on our democracy is similar to Skynet but without the cool robots.

 

[Red]

Face the Bitter Truth

We are two countries, and neither of them is going to be conquered or disappear anytime soon.

www.theatlantic.com

“Tens of millions of Americans love MAGA more than they love democracy. After four years of lawbreaking and norm-busting, there can be no illusions about President Donald Trump. His first term culminated in an open effort to sabotage the legitimacy of the election and prevent Americans from voting. His rallies in the final week of the campaign were red-drenched festivals of mass hate, autocratic self-absorption, and boredom, without a glimmer of a better future on offer—and they might have put Trump over the top in Florida and elsewhere. Even as “freedom-loving people” came out in unprecedented millions to vote, their readiness to throw away their republican institutions along with their dignity and grasp of facts suggests that many Americans have lost the basic qualities that the Founders believed essential to self-government. There is no obvious way to reverse this decline, which shows signs of infecting elements of the other side as well”.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Funeral potatoes are the bomb. However, I would venture that properly made dutch-oven potatoes with a hint of garlic are the bee's knees.

Potatoes are ****ing magic and will be the tool used to unify this country.