This is the MAN we need at #3 - C Jonas Valanciunas

[The Thriller]

Lets ask coach Calipari what he thinks. He seems to know everything... According to some jazz fans...

 

[BENTLEY]

hmm... DX lists Dwight Howard at 6' 10" 240 lbs. with a 7' 4.5" wingspan.
That was him at age 18 coming into the league.

JV is supposedly almost 6' 11" in socks. So a 7 footer. And he also weighs 240. His wingspan is said to be 7' 6".

Kanter is 6' 11.25 in shoes and weighs 260. Wingspan 7' 1.5".

Kanter is the more polished of the two euros but I'm not concerned with next year. I'm thinking in a couple years. I'm flummoxed.

 

[mhindy]

Honestly, it's just nice to be in a position where we'll have a CHOICE between Knight, Kanter, Valanciunas, and possibly even Dwill.

 

[BENTLEY]

Isn't it. Love it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Honestly, it's just nice to be in a position where we'll have a CHOICE between Knight, Kanter, Valanciunas, and possibly even Dwill.

Don't forget Walker

 

[BENTLEY]

I read this post on realgm. I was interested in jazzfanz' reaction to it.

I think with what Valanciunas and Kanter have each shown, that they would have been squarely positioned as the top 2 picks in this draft if we were back in 2003. I think the skepticism we see has purely to do with the track record between 02 and 07 of top international prospects in the draft. Common sense tells you its just a matter of time until we see the next Euro superstar. Dirk came in 98, Manu came in 99, Pau came in 01, and we've seen a bit of a drought since then. Bargs is good, but maddening. Darko busted. Yi busted. Skita busted. Rubio is on hold. Its just a matter of time until the next big thing from Europe comes along. When it happens, all the anti-Euro sentiment will likely push him down the board. JV could very well be that guy. I mean look at the combination between the skill set and the productivity at the highest level at such a young age. 8 years ago people would be going crazy for this guy. As is, all people can do is talk about what he can't do. And he's 18 freaking years old.

 

[Dr. Jones]

True. But who wants to take the gamble at #3 to be the one that finds the 'next new thing?'

Well, me, IF it's Kanter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I read this post on realgm. I was interested in jazzfanz' reaction to it.

He has a lot of work to do, but I guess him being a Pau Gasol (impact wise, not same type of player) type of star isn't out of the question if he puts the work in/goes to a team that develops him well.

 

[Lion's Roar]

I might add that I would be happy with either Kanter or Valaciunas. On one side I think Kanter would be a better complementary player to Favors, on the other Favors and Valanciunas defensivelly should be pretty special. On one side Kanter to me is someone that is reminicent of Al Jefferson and I have some doubts that they can play together, on the other side Valanciunas is probably further away from having any sort of significant impact.

What I do believe is that the Jazz can't pass up on the opportunity of flanking Favors with one of this dudes. When all is said and done and those guys grow more (still pretty young) the Jazz could put together a pair of 7' footers on the floor at the same time and that's pretty special.

Quite frankly I believe they will be better than Irving or Williams.

 

[sepanol]

Boozer is a 20-10 guy while Noah is a 10-10 guy. Everyone on this board knows who we would rather have.

boozer is fake , everyone knows it. And he isnt 20 10 in chicago. everyone saw his performance against miami. Noah has good intentions, but he doesnt have a very good physic. Kanter will be much better than both

 

[Dr. Jones]

I might add that I would be happy with either Kanter or Valaciunas. On one side I think Kanter would be a better complementary player to Favors, on the other Favors and Valanciunas defensivelly should be pretty special. On one side Kanter to me is someone that is reminicent of Al Jefferson and I have some doubts that they can play together, on the other side Valanciunas is probably further away from having any sort of significant impact.

What I do believe is that the Jazz can't pass up on the opportunity of flanking Favors with one of this dudes. When all is said and done and those guys grow more (still pretty young) the Jazz could put together a pair of 7' footers on the floor at the same time and that's pretty special.

Quite frankly I believe they will be better than Irving or Williams.

Good Post. Though I think Irving going to be a special player.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I might add that I would be happy with either Kanter or Valaciunas. On one side I think Kanter would be a better complementary player to Favors, on the other Favors and Valanciunas defensivelly should be pretty special. On one side Kanter to me is someone that is reminicent of Al Jefferson and I have some doubts that they can play together, on the other side Valanciunas is probably further away from having any sort of significant impact.

What I do believe is that the Jazz can't pass up on the opportunity of flanking Favors with one of this dudes. When all is said and done and those guys grow more (still pretty young) the Jazz could put together a pair of 7' footers on the floor at the same time and that's pretty special.

Quite frankly I believe they will be better than Irving or Williams.

Favors isn't 7', he is 6'10 (but I guess it is possible he could grow to 6'11), but I see your point. They are both very physically imposing.

 

[sepanol]

Honestly, it's just nice to be in a position where we'll have a CHOICE between Knight, Kanter, Valanciunas, and possibly even Dwill.

we could even be in position, to choose between Barnes, perry jones , sullinger, but still we are so lucky to be here. Its impossible for teams like utah (who is never so bad, never contender) to get a lottery pick. I hope we wont mess the pick up

 

[sepanol]

I might add that I would be happy with either Kanter or Valaciunas. On one side I think Kanter would be a better complementary player to Favors, on the other Favors and Valanciunas defensivelly should be pretty special. On one side Kanter to me is someone that is reminicent of Al Jefferson and I have some doubts that they can play together, on the other side Valanciunas is probably further away from having any sort of significant impact.

What I do believe is that the Jazz can't pass up on the opportunity of flanking Favors with one of this dudes. When all is said and done and those guys grow more (still pretty young) the Jazz could put together a pair of 7' footers on the floor at the same time and that's pretty special.

Quite frankly I believe they will be better than Irving or Williams.

if we are rebuilding the team and want the best player available, we should pick kanter and certainly trade Jefferson, because he really isnt a guy who can carry us to next level

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

if we are rebuilding the team and want the best player available, we should pick kanter and certainly trade Jefferson, because he really isnt a guy who can carry us to next level

I don't think the Jazz are quite ready to give up on Jefferson.

 

[BENTLEY]

Quite frankly I believe they will be better than Irving or Williams.

It's no secret that at such a high draft pick I want it used on size. Even though the Jazz need a SF I'm still a bit concerned about Williams working out there, and think someone will fall to them in 2012. If their pick this year contributes little (Valanciunas) the Jazz might suck again and end up keeping their own pick again, which will help their odds of filling the SF spot with a higher ranked talent.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think anyone we pick outside of maybe Williams and Walker is going to have that much effect on our overall record. Our starting line going to be the same no matter who we pick (besides Williams). Knight,Jonas V, and Kanter are both very young and will see 20 minute or under (maybe even less for the big men).

 

[BENTLEY]

Jazz are good though. They might just make the playoffs, unless Ty continues the growing pains.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Oh well, two more lotto picks next year as well.

2011 pick (Knight?)
2011 pick (Singleton?)
Hayward
2012 pick (Gilchrist?)
2012 pick (Bradley Beal?)
Favors

/future

 

[BENTLEY]

another post from realgm

It's probably from the same guy.
At the beginning he's responding to someone else who said they are more geeked about Vesely than JV.

Fair enough. I don't watch enough Euro games to feel confident in making strong assertions on the matter, but I have seen game film on him from multiple matches, and the guy has a lot of things that jump out at you. But there are things to give you pause as well. But Euros are due. The next big one is coming, and he's coming soon.

I think its similar in many ways to the PG drought that we experienced between 96 and 2004. 9 straight drafts of the best PG prospects either busting (Jay Williams, TJ Ford, Antonio Daniels, Dajuan Wagner, Shaun Livingston), flaming out after promising starts (Francis), proving to be more of a shooting guard than a true point (Terry, Ben Gordon) or just not quiting becoming the great players that many expected them to be (Bibby, Baron Davis, Jason Williams). For so many years the great PGs in the league were Nash, Kidd and Payton (with Chauncey sneaking in at some points) who were long in the tooth but remained unchalleged by the up and coming young guns. Then in 2005 the numbers game finally caught up and we've been deluged by not just good, but great PGs. CP3 and Deron came in 05. Rose and Westbrook came in 08 and Wall came in 2010. That's 5 PGs who could all reasonably challenge for an MVP. It was just a matter of time after a lull in the pipeline, and now we have a bevy of great young PGs in the league.

I think we'll see something similar with Euros before too long. We actually have less big time Euro players in their primes right now than we did 8-10 years ago, and the popularity and quality of competition overseas has grown exponentially in that time period. The dam is going to break at some point, and I think that when it does the teams who don't have the anti-Euro goggles on are going to benefit massively from it. In much the same way that Dallas did with Dirk Nowitzki in 98. This could be the year. Especially with 4 young stud European players coming over. When teams look at JV, they see a guy like Martinas Andriuskevicius (once pegged as a possible top overall pick, who fell deep into the 2nd round and was never heard from again). When they look at Vesely, they see another Bargnani (skilled big guy who wants to play on the perimeter) or Maciej Lampe (inside outside PF who narrowly missed being picked in the top 10 before doing squat in the NBA). When they look at Kanter, they see shades of Darko and Tiago Splitter. And when they look at Motiejunas I guarantee they see visions of Skita :O.....they can't help it. Combine this with the natural sense for distrusting that which is alien or foreign, and you have deeply seated instinctual drives that are depressing the stock of European players, even though in many instances the personnel guys themselves wouldn't even admit it in the privacy of their own minds. To this point, it hasn't led to a big-time burn. But its going to, and its past due.