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Tomic offered buyout:

A.) He already has his contract from Barcelona that was significantly higher than what they said they'd pay. It doesn't keep him from considering an offer from the Jazz, it just sets the floor.

B.) He couldn't communicate with the Jazz until July, so his option was to take the deal or wait until July and see if a better offer could be had from either team. Not a sure bet that something couldn't dramatically change between now and then.

C.) He had significant leverage, and there's an NBA buyout in the new contract (although how much is unknown).

D) Most of us would have taken the offer from Barcelona instead of hoping that things went well this summer.

E.) The Jazz stopped talking publicly about if after he signed the contract, but there seemed to be considerable interest on their part. Depending on the specifics of the buyout, there's no reason to assume that interest has changed.

F.) If Utah wants to bring him over, they have the resources to pay off the buyout and make a very competitive offer. Depending on how the draft goes, I think there's still a slight chance that they may go that route.

G.) Tomic used the leverage that he had to get a good extension from Barcelona, but there's also nothing stopping him from meeting with the Jazz this summer and deciding to come over if they want him badly enough. As I see it, all he's done so far is made sure that both teams can't lowball him. He got the best deal that he could from Barca, and if the Jazz offer him something significantly better, I think he'll consider it.

I get why fans have fatigue over Tomic, but the Jazz spurned him first. After testing their interest in 2012, he signed with Barcelona and developed exactly how we'd hoped he would. The fact that he has options doesn't make him a bad option. The buyout has been (and always will be) the key factor. I'm not expecting him to come over, but I haven't completely ruled it out. He took the best deal on the table, but still has the potential to upgrade. Pretty sure Id have done the exact same thing.

Out of curiosity, approx how much would his salary from Barcelona be yearly in US dollars, if he's among the top paid European players?

https://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/ante_tomic

According to this site, Tomic was asking about 2.1 Million euro, which would be about 2.5 Million US dollars. Jazz could easily beat that.
 
Out of curiosity, approx how much would his salary from Barcelona be yearly in US dollars, if he's among the top paid European players?

https://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/ante_tomic

According to this site, Tomic was asking about 2.1 Million euro, which would be about 2.5 Million US dollars. Jazz could easily beat that.
That sounds about right. The fact that he had the leverage with Barcelona makes me wonder if he got a favorable buyout as a result. Barcelona gives him a big deal hoping that the Jazz are only mildly interested, but all it's done is set the floor for his NBA negotiations. It won't be cheap to get him, but even with a standard buyout, the Jazz can offer him significantly more if they want.

Some of the questions are if Euro clubs also cover cost of living expenses (house, car, etc.) that make the value more than what is reported, whether he considers the quality of life in Spain worth more than the difference in money offered and if the Jazz truly value him enough to make a competitive offer. All of those factors led to him taking the Barca extension, but Id have liked to see how it played out if Utah was able to offer a contract at the same time instead of having to wait until July.
 
I hope Dalamon doesnt read this. Hate to get that kid's hopes up to only be crushed again.

Portis > Tomic
 
If Tomic comes over the Jazz, IMO, will combine the #12 and some other assets to go after a vet PG as back up. They jump all in on the playoffs.

On RealGM (I think) saw a trade deal that shipped out Burke and teh #12 (there were other details I cannot remember) for Ramon Sessions. I'll use that as an example. Personally I am not the guy to propose trade ideas.

Gobert/Tomic/Cooley
Favors/Booker/Evans
Hayward/Ingles
Burks/Hood/Millsap
Exum/Sessions/Cotton

14 players and damn good.

I know it wasn't your idea, but that trade is horrible.
 
Yeah. That's a bad deal. I'd rather sign Jeremy Lin or give Burks some minutes at PG behind Exum.

The Jazz are still better picking someone in the draft and exploring other options in free agency or trades. Plenty of PGs got moved at the trade deadline last year. Better to keep Burke in that case IMO.
 
A.) He already has his contract from Barcelona that was significantly higher than what they said they'd pay. It doesn't keep him from considering an offer from the Jazz, it just sets the floor.

B.) He couldn't communicate with the Jazz until July, so his option was to take the deal or wait until July and see if a better offer could be had from either team. Not a sure bet that something couldn't dramatically change between now and then.

C.) He had significant leverage, and there's an NBA buyout in the new contract (although how much is unknown).

D) Most of us would have taken the offer from Barcelona instead of hoping that things went well this summer.

E.) The Jazz stopped talking publicly about if after he signed the contract, but there seemed to be considerable interest on their part. Depending on the specifics of the buyout, there's no reason to assume that interest has changed.

F.) If Utah wants to bring him over, they have the resources to pay off the buyout and make a very competitive offer. Depending on how the draft goes, I think there's still a slight chance that they may go that route.

G.) Tomic used the leverage that he had to get a good extension from Barcelona, but there's also nothing stopping him from meeting with the Jazz this summer and deciding to come over if they want him badly enough. As I see it, all he's done so far is made sure that both teams can't lowball him. He got the best deal that he could from Barca, and if the Jazz offer him something significantly better, I think he'll consider it.

I get why fans have fatigue over Tomic, but the Jazz spurned him first. After testing their interest in 2012, he signed with Barcelona and developed exactly how we'd hoped he would. The fact that he has options doesn't make him a bad guy. The buyout has been (and always will be) the key factor. I'm not expecting him to come over, but I haven't completely ruled it out. He took the best deal on the table, but still has the potential to upgrade. Pretty sure I'd have done the exact same thing.
Good post.
You gave me more hope.


Prepare for a neg when my hopes get dashed
 
Tomic and Frank/Myles >>> Evans and Cooley.

Understatement of the year

According to this site, Tomic was asking about 2.1 Million euro, which would be about 2.5 Million US dollars. Jazz could easily beat that.

Wow, that's a bargain

I would expect the jazz to pony up 6 million per
 
I know it wasn't your idea, but that trade is horrible.

Yeah. That's a bad deal. I'd rather sign Jeremy Lin or give Burks some minutes at PG behind Exum.

The Jazz are still better picking someone in the draft and exploring other options in free agency or trades. Plenty of PGs got moved at the trade deadline last year. Better to keep Burke in that case IMO.

Fair enough. But the point still stands.

I think that if Tomic comes over the Jazz engage in a trade that includes the #12 and addresses the PG position.

Question is what vet PGs would y'all target for a mentoring/primary back up role and what would you be willing to use to get them?
 
Understatement of the year

Wow, that's a bargain

I would expect the jazz to pony up 6 million per
At the time of the extension, it didn't make sense. Until it was reported that the Jazz weren't permitted to offer a contract until July. A bird in the hand and all that. I'm not counting on it. He seems happy with where he's at, and that's hard to move away from. But there's still an opportunity depending on the combination of the buyout and the Jazz interest in him. If those two things match up, then I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't think the Jazz are counting on anything, and as such are focused on the draft. Once free ages comes around, we'll have a better grasp of the situation. Utah has between $10-12 million available to use this year, and more than $20 million next year. If they want him, they have the resources to buy him out and pay him accordingly.
 
Understatement of the year



Wow, that's a bargain

I would expect the jazz to pony up 6 million per

Don't know if its equivelent. I was reading another page about Euro being net salary. I think probably half the salary ends up going to taxes here, different for each state, but almost 40 % in federal taxes. Quick search shows that Utah has a 5 % flat rate.

If he has a net salary of 2.1. For Jazz to equal that with a 1.1 dollars per euro, and 45 % going to taxes, they would need 4.2 million. I think a 5 million dollar plus offer might be necessary to incentivise him to move over, probably 3 years, although I hope the jazz would have a 4th year option.
 
Take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt, as I have no idea if I'm right. Anyone with more knowledge than me, please chime in. I'm sure there are many other variables that I am missing.
 
I was joking. Europe does DD/MM/YYYY, so 02/06/2015 is 06/02/2015 so its from today. Caught me off guard for a sec at first though.

I hate Europe... I was like what the hell.
 
Don't know if its equivelent. I was reading another page about Euro being net salary. I think probably half the salary ends up going to taxes here, different for each state, but almost 40 % in federal taxes. Quick search shows that Utah has a 5 % flat rate.

If he has a net salary of 2.1. For Jazz to equal that with a 1.1 dollars per euro, and 45 % going to taxes, they would need 4.2 million. I think a 5 million dollar plus offer might be necessary to incentivise him to move over, probably 3 years, although I hope the jazz would have a 4th year option.
Still looks good to me.
Give him 3 years 18 million or 4 years 24 million.

I'm happy with that
 
I hope Dalamon doesnt read this. Hate to get that kid's hopes up to only be crushed again.

Portis > Tomic

I am brimming with delight. BRING US ANTE PLS GOD PLS
 
Still looks good to me.
Give him 3 years 18 million or 4 years 24 million.

I'm happy with that
They're limited to the # of years after holding his rights for this long. The contract has to be for no more than 3 years with no early termination, team or player options. 3 years, $18 million still looks pretty good to me though. He's still be a RFA after that contract ends also.
 
Still looks good to me.
Give him 3 years 18 million or 4 years 24 million.

I'm happy with that

3 yr 18 mill is about perfect IMO. Not too much of a commitment, but enough for him to be a part of a playoff-run if things end up clicking.


OMG. I want him on this team so goddamn bad. SO BAD. Gonna watch Ante-Gifs in that other thread now.
 
Hypothetically
Let's say no one had his rights and he entered the draft this year. Where do you guys think he would get picked?
 
I was joking. Europe does DD/MM/YYYY, so 02/06/2015 is 06/02/2015 so its from today. Caught me off guard for a sec at first though.
I probably would have made the same mistake. I thought it was Tomic's wife who was pretty adamant about staying in Europe. Perhaps she's softened her stance and heard he can make more $ in the U.S. and living in Utah doesn't mean she has to be a sister wife.

Tomic >> Kaminsky, Turner or Pleiss so I hope the Jazz can use some of their cap space to bring him over. The only potential problem I see is if Rudy resents his backup making 4x as much. Guess the Jazz just need to tell Gobert he's going to get a HUGE contract in a couple of years but their hands are legally tied right now by the CBA.
 
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