Tomic offered buyout:

[Deleted member 848]

Hypothetically
Let's say no one had his rights and he entered the draft this year. Where do you guys think he would get picked?

I would guess 31st, because of the similarity to the Pekovic scenario

Peković was selected 31st overall in the 2008 NBA Draft by the Minnesota Timberwolves. Many draft experts considered him a top 10 pick, but due to his contract situation with his team in Europe he was selected much lower. He was considered a lock to be drafted with the first pick of the second round because players selected in the second round are not subject to the rookie scale contracts of the first round. This meant that the team that drafted him would be able to pay him more than those players selected later in the first round. Due to the amount of money Peković was making in Europe already, he likely would not have made the jump to the NBA for the amount of money that could be paid to a late first round player. It was reported on June 30, 2010, that Peković had agreed with the Wolves to a 3-year, $13 million gross income deal.[5] In his rookie season, Peković averaged 5.5 points and 3.0 rebounds per game.

If ppl knew he wanted to play next season & didn't have any contractual obligations? Incredibly hard to say. If he was putting up these numbers at age 21 or something he'd be top 3.

 

[Stifle Tower]

As for salary he and his wife have to be incentivized to leave the great situation he has. Jazz need to pay maximum they can for the buyout and make up any shortfall via salary. Tonic could be one of the best backup bigs in the league. Jazz should start at $6m/per but be willing to pay 3/$24m for him.

 

[Stoked]

As for salary he and his wife have to be incentivized to leave the great situation he has. Jazz need to pay maximum they can for the buyout and make up any shortfall via salary. Tonic could be one of the best backup bigs in the league. Jazz should start at $6m/per but be willing to pay 3/$24m for him.

Wasn't there a tweet saying that his wife insisted on staying in Spain? If that is true the Jazz would really need to show Tomic some financial love. That woul dbe more in line with the 6-7 million per.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Fair enough. But the point still stands.

I think that if Tomic comes over the Jazz engage in a trade that includes the #12 and addresses the PG position.

Question is what vet PGs would y'all target for a mentoring/primary back up role and what would you be willing to use to get them?

For me, the best option is to use the #12 pick to go after a prospect you like for development purposes, sign Tomic for 3 years and then (depending on the plan for Burks) sign a veteran Free agent PG or do a S&T for a RFA. The Jazz have assets and potential cap space to make a move for a guy if they want to replace Burke.

I'd be fine with adding any of Jeremy Lin (UFA), Matthew Dellavedova (RFA), Patrick Beverley (RFA) or Cory Joseph (RFA) to back up Exum. I personally think that they'd try Burks in that role before making a huge investment, but maybe not.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hypothetically
Let's say no one had his rights and he entered the draft this year. Where do you guys think he would get picked?

I would guess 31st, because of the similarity to the Pekovic scenario



If ppl knew he wanted to play next season & didn't have any contractual obligations? Incredibly hard to say. If he was putting up these numbers at age 21 or something he'd be top 3.

I phrased my question wrong.

Where would he rank on your bpa list for this draft.


Where would you pick him with his current age remaining the same and knowing he will make about 6-8 per year?

For me I have him at 3rd on bpa (behind towns and russell)

Factoring in his age I would put him at about 5th (russell, towns, okafor, winslow) ahead of Mario, porz, and mudiay.
(His salary wouldnt really factor in much since I think top 5 guys get paid in the same range)

 

[Coach Ellis]

Wasn't there a tweet saying that his wife insisted on staying in Spain? If that is true the Jazz would really need to show Tomic some financial love. That woul dbe more in line with the 6-7 million per.

That was refuted. The biggest question is how much the buyout is. If it's huge, the Jazz will pass. If it's reasonable, the Jazz will probably make a run at him. The fact that he's limited to Barcelona or Utah means that one of those two teams are getting his services for a bargain. Barca already offered him their ceiling. That has to be the Jazz floor if Utah wants him. Hopefully their ceiling is enough to get him to come over.

 

[stitches]

I know it wasn't your idea, but that trade is horrible.

The trade was us trading back to 19 + getting Sessions + getting a future first round pick. the value is not absolutely horrible, but I still don't like it... I think we should be consolidating assets to get upgrade in talent and/or production not disperse our current assets into even smaller pieces...

 

[Stoked]

The trade was us trading back to 19 + getting Sessions + getting a future first round pick. the value is not absolutely horrible, but I still don't like it... I think we should be consolidating assets to get upgrade in talent and/or production not disperse our current assets into even smaller pieces...

That's it. Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I phrased my question wrong.

Where would he rank on your bpa list for this draft.


Where would you pick him with his current age remaining the same and knowing he will make about 6-8 per year?

For me I have him at 3rd on bpa (behind towns and russell)

Factoring in his age I would put him at about 5th (russell, towns, okafor, winslow) ahead of Mario, porz, and mudiay.
(His salary wouldnt really factor in much since I think top 5 guys get paid in the same range)

ah, such a difficult question for me honestly. Mostly because we have such a good center that we don't need Tomic to be a two-way all-star, you know? For sure there's maybe 5-6 players in the lottery this year that have higher ceilings, and might end up being better players than Tomic. I'd probably have him pegged around that area.

With that said, I don't think there is a single player in the NBA, as a back-up big, that fits our roster better than Ante Tomic. Name one. I honestly can't. Frank Kaminsky... maybe? Tomic's passing is simply on another level though. He could single-handedly propel Burke and Burks's scoring rates and percentages. That's what makes Ante so, so compelling. And that's what made me so happy when the Jazz stayed mum after Tomic's contract news came up:

if they knew it was over, they would have commented and said so "we couldnt settle on terms for a contract for Ante, and we wish him the best in Europe".

Nope. All we got was "No Comment". Negotiations are clearly ongoing. And having Tomic on this team is gonna be so ****ing fire I'm getting goosebumps just thinking of it.

 

[Stoked]

For me, the best option is to use the #12 pick to go after a prospect you like for development purposes, sign Tomic for 3 years and then (depending on the plan for Burks) sign a veteran Free agent PG or do a S&T for a RFA. The Jazz have assets and potential cap space to make a move for a guy if they want to replace Burke.

I'd be fine with adding any of Jeremy Lin (UFA), Matthew Dellavedova (RFA), Patrick Beverley (RFA) or Cory Joseph (RFA) to back up Exum. I personally think that they'd try Burks in that role before making a huge investment, but maybe not.

Just would love, love, love to be listening in on the Jazz FO discussions right now. More so now than at any time that I can remember.

Don't worry guys, I am already fixing, outfitting and stocking the bandwagon for this upcoming season! From game 1 of preseason it is full bore and no stopping for passengers.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Just would love, love, love to be listening in on the Jazz FO discussions right now. More so now than at any time that I can remember.

Don't worry guys, I am already fixing, outfitting and stocking the bandwagon for this upcoming season! From game 1 of preseason it is full bore and no stopping for passengers.

I would put off picking up a vet PG for this season. Let Burke and Exum figure it out for one more season. At the end of 2016 is when we figure out what to do with our PG situation. Will Burke be a good back-up? Is Exum gonna be a solid starter? Ship Burke out if he's useless. Shift Exum to an Iguodala role and sign a vet-PG if he isn't cutting it. Pick up maybe one more shooter. Use the 12th pick to get the best shooter we can get.

2017 is going to be our ****ing year, guys. I can feel it.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just would love, love, love to be listening in on the Jazz FO discussions right now. More so now than at any time that I can remember.

Don't worry guys, I am already fixing, outfitting and stocking the bandwagon for this upcoming season! From game 1 of preseason it is full bore and no stopping for passengers.

What about the tank doe

 

[Deleted member 848]

What about the tank doe

RIP TANK BISHES #RINGRUN2017

 

[Coach Ellis]

What about the tank doe

Tank ended the day they hired Snyder.

 

[fishonjazz]

Tank ended the day they let go of tank commander corbin

Fixed

 

[Deleted member 848]

This is so ****ing worth it you guys. I literally started intensely following the Jazz two weeks before their 2010 playoff run (loved Wes Matthews). Game 3 against the Lakers sold me on the NBA-- Korver was possessed that game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYAOWHwNqnM

The 2011-2015 era was cruel. I'm surprised I hung on. I don't even know how I did, really. Mostly because of Jazzfanz.

All I can say is that we've come so far as a team, and it's beyond ****ing exciting that our team is about to break through into relevance again. Cannot ****ing WAIT to see ppl underestimate us (as they always do), and **** on every small-ball lineup thrown our way. Bring on the goddamn season.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I would put off picking up a vet PG for this season. Let Burke and Exum figure it out for one more season. At the end of 2016 is when we figure out what to do with our PG situation. Will Burke be a good back-up? Is Exum gonna be a solid starter? Ship Burke out if he's useless. Shift Exum to an Iguodala role and sign a vet-PG if he isn't cutting it. Pick up maybe one more shooter. Use the 12th pick to get the best shooter we can get.

2017 is going to be our ****ing year, guys. I can feel it.

I agree with this. PG doesn't need to get figured out this offseason. They have 4 young guys to look at (Exum, Burke, Cotton and Neto) and the option to try Burks at the 1 as well. Plus they could draft another guy for developmental purposes (especially a draft and stash type of guy). My guess is that they give Exum another full year to see how his development is progressing. If PG is still a weak spot at the deadline, they might look at making a move. . . but I'd expect them to address it next summer. The development (or lack of) by Burke, Exum and Burks (depending on his role) will determine how they move forward. Not enough info yet to make a decision.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Fixed

Yes and no. There's a lot of guys they could have hired that would have screwed up this young, developing roster. They ended up with one of the top player developmental coaches in the league. That can't be underestimated.

Imagine Alvin Gentry with this roster.

 

[Stoked]

What about the tank doe

Tank is dead. It served its purpose but good riddance. It is time to grow!

I am OK with giving Burke another year under Snyder.

 

[fishonjazz]

Imagine Alvin Gentry with this roster.

I don't wanna