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Tomic offered buyout:
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Coach Ellis
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Maybe, but potential trumps skill in the draft. There's 9 guys whose potential would be worth more to me than acquiring Tomic (and I'm a huge advocate of getting him.) Towns, Russell, Okafor, Winslow, Hezonja, Johnson, Mudiay, Porzingis and Turner.
If he were 8 years younger, with the body and skill he has now. . . top 5.
A better question would be, "If Ante Tomic were an NBA unrestricted free agent, able to sign with any team he wanted to, how much would he get, and would Utah be a realistic destination for him?
I think the answers would be 1.) more than it will cost the Jazz even with a buyout. And 2.) probably not. The Jazz have a chance to cash in on their investment, and I hope they do so.
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I can see your point about DL getting an asset for him. But Tomic hasn't proved himself in the NBA yet. As Ellis mentioned, Tomic averaged 22 mins/per over his 4 years. And, IINM, Euro teams play fewer games. Hardly any player appears in all 82 games. Tomic can still average around 20-22 factoring in minor injuries to Favors and Gobert. Tell him if he's still unhappy but has shown he's a very good NBA talent, Utah will accommodate a trade. That would be much better than trying to find a trading partner now. I think the best we could get for him is a late first or a second rounder. I'd rather just play "hardball" by offering as much as $7-8M/per for 3 years. If he wants to play in the NBA, he'll take it. If not, that's his loss.
No way, I'm thinking late first round at best. Probably early 2nd rounder.
The Thriller
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This again?
He's our new Corey Magette/Lamar Odom
Every few months he's rumored to be coming over to play for us but never will.
jazz fans always find a few players to obsess about. It's clear the man doesn't want to come over. That's been clear for years now.
This again?
He's our new Corey Magette/Lamar Odom
Every few months he's rumored to be coming over to play for us but never will.
jazz fans always find a few players to obsess about. It's clear the man doesn't want to come over. That's been clear for years now.
Portis has a much more translatable game to the NBA.
Just struggle to say Tomic translate without a doubt.
Jazz need a backup C, in Tomic they get one that is better than anything available in FA, is more ready to contribute than any rookie, and doesn't cost any assets to obtain. He'll cost money, but Jazz have more than enough cap space for the next 3 years. Why is that so difficult to understand?
My thoughts 110%.
I mea, he doest have a great J like Pau. If NBA physicality renders him useless in the poost, that kind of takes away from his passing game.
He'd be n early to mid 2nd round pick as of right now.
So you pay a lot of money for a back-up with a game that might not translate? How much $$$ we talking? Anything over 4 million a year is too much.
Let me phrase it differently: I'm not sure that he'll be good in the NBA, and I'm even less sure that he's a good fit here.
Saying Tomic is "better than anything in FA" is purely your opinion (again, who's to say his game translates at all in the NBA?) and a free agent signing isn't the only way the Jazz could get one anyway. And what's with this attitude that the Jazz are in the tail-end of annual contention? If anything, one could make the argument that Tomic is too old to grow with this team as a real piece and then the Jazz would have wasted an opportunity to develop a real piece when the time really matters.
Isn't everything your stating your opinion also? The reason we are excited is because he has a lot of offensive skill. "In my opinion" he is better than anything available. Money wise probably 6 Million per year, to put that in perspective, Chris Kaman got about 5 Million per from the Blazers, Brandon Bass is at 7 M. Brendon Haywood is at 8 M. We had to pay 5 Million per for Booker, who is a short PF who hasn't done much either. 28 is plenty young to contribute for 4-5 years, Ingles is 27, so is Milsap. We can get players in other ways yes, but that involves giving up assets, and for anyone thats any good, it will be something significant. He's a third big, he doesn't have to be the second coming of Pau Gasol. 6 Million is going to be nothing with the new salary cap.
Who says the Jazz are at the tail end of contention? When I say 3 years, its because they have almost everyone under contract for that time. Who knows what the team will look like after that.
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Is tomic considered the best player in Europe?
Stifle Tower
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Also, isn't 3 years the maximum the Jazz can offer?
Tomic right now is a dead asset. If we tried to trade his rights would we get anything other than a 2nd rounder?
In the Jazz offense, what does Gobert do? He comes out to the top of the key to take the ball and then looks to pass and rolls to the basket. Seems like a pretty good way to use Tomic since he is a great passer and pretty good going to the basket. Ante passes off, rolls to the basket, gets the return pass and then finds a cutter for an easy basket. Or takes it in himself. I see his skills being a good fit as a backup 5.
AS you said, he'd be a relative bargain at whatever price they sign him for. If he doesn't pan out, Utah just plays Favors some at center and uses Booker more (just as they did after the Kanter trade). If he surprises, Utah has a great 1/2 punch in Gobert and Tomic or a very valuable trade asset. Centers are ALWAYS in demand.
I wanted Tomic to come earlier then felt burned when he agreed to an extension. Still a sour taste in my mouth for being such a tease for so long. Hard to know how to feel about this when I've gotten all high on Kaminsky (because we are in dire need of shooting, spacing and scoring).
Coach Ellis
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Yes. Smokescreens run rampant before the draft. Could also backfire if the Jazz are interested in buying him out and want to jump up for a wing, but everyone is focused on them drafting a big. It goes both ways.
My philosophy for team building is that you should acquire the highest level player that you can, put them together with the coaching staff and have them compete for jobs and playing time. I just want the best players Utah can get from each transaction they make.
And I don't want the results to be influenced or changed by their plans for Tomic. If they determine that Turner or Kaminsky is the best pick. . . I hope they take them. And then I hope they still buyout Tomic and bring him over.
Gobert, Favors, Tomic, Booker and Turner/Kaminsky would be such a badass front court. I trust Snyder to manage the lineup and minute distribution much better than Corbin did. I'd be very happy with that result this offseason.
Yep, 3 years is the Magic number. Jazz will likely Max Gobert, which means he's here for 6-7 more years. Burke will either be traded or let walk in 2 years, and I bet Booker isn't here after next year, unless he really wants to stay here with fewer minutes. Everybody else is under contract. After 3 years, big decisions will be made with Exum, Hood coming off Rookie deals and Hayward and Favors coming off their deals. If Tomic is signed this year, he will likely be coming off as well. Jazz will re-sign a few, and the others will be traded, or leave in FA.