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Trade Gobert Discussion

rjfan said:
so the idea is to embrace the tank ?

if it is, problably would be the case to ship Jingles, Bogey, Conley and Donovan too, not just Gobert
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Yep, you're gonna blow it up you need to blow it all the way up.
 
Aneurism said:
Gobert might not push for the supermax even if he has earned it. If his priority and goal is to win, then he will probably be willing to negotiate a reasonable pay cut to leave room for talent. However contracts for deadweight players such as Exum must be reexamined and scrutinized and significantly downgraded (Also Conley's) for this to be feasible.
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Holy ****. Players have agents for a reason. The reason is so that they don't do stupid **** like what you're suggesting.
 
Geez this talk is a total overreaction ...

If you’re Portland or San Antonio, especially Portland , then I’d expect this...

Our mojo is so far out ...

To be down by 40 at the half to Toronto, then score 49 in one quarter shows a massive ability that we have ,yet we are no where near figureing this thing out , players or coaching staff
 
Gameface said:
Holy ****. Players have agents for a reason. The reason is so that they don't do stupid **** like what you're suggesting.
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Funny, I got crucified when I commented about Rudy's instagram sendoff to Hayward, implying he needed to be careful because one day he might have to come to a similar decision and thereby putting his integrity at stake if he chose the same path.

As for agents, it works both ways... look at George Hill and Rodney Hood..

BTW..over react much ?
 
We can negotiate an extension with Rudy this offseason... if he declines then you can talk about trading him if you’d like... this is really premature and not something we’d even consider.

Also Rudy isn’t the problem... we just lost to a team that played with offensively limited centers and their offense looked fine. Something is really off... the team is disconnected on both ends of the court and sadly it’s DM that currently looked the most disconnected. If we want a drastic move it’d likely be a Conley trade.

I think we will win 6 out of the next 7 or so and the record will look a lot better. The ceiling of this team is just not likely as high as we once thought it would be... which sucks... but you don’t go changing the one thing we are good at because the team is underperforming... I’d look elsewhere.
 
Aneurism said:
Gobert might not push for the supermax even if he has earned it. If his priority and goal is to win, then he will probably be willing to negotiate a reasonable pay cut to leave room for talent. However contracts for deadweight players such as Exum must be reexamined and scrutinized and significantly downgraded (Also Conley's) for this to be feasible.
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I seriously doubt that Rudy will be willing to pass on the supermax. Whole that supermax thing is not about money, those guys elligible for it fart with money. It's about the status. He feels underappreciated with no All Star selections, DPOY snub two years and general opinion about him so I guess he will expect at least his franchise to show that they value him.
 
Jazzmix said:
I seriously doubt that Rudy will be willing to pass on the supermax. Whole that supermax thing is not about money, those guys elligible for it fart with money. It's about the status. He feels underappreciated with no All Star selections, DPOY snub two years and general opinion about him so I guess he will expect at least his franchise to show that they value him.
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Does being an NBA champion help with ones "status"?

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I'd bet Rudy gives the Jazz a hometown discount. He's not going to be as valuable to other teams as he is here.

That being said, I'd never trade him. It'd sure suck watching him help Dallas, Portland, San Antonio, the Clippers win a championship.
 
So what are the Jazz trading Gobert for? Cuz most good teams have good centers or are asset-depleted.

Meanwhile, we have jack ****ing nothing to fill that void. Trading Gobert is blowing up the team, and I don't think the market would even be that strong for him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So what are the Jazz trading Gobert for? Cuz most good teams have good centers or are asset-depleted.

Meanwhile, we have jack ****ing nothing to fill that void. Trading Gobert is blowing up the team, and I don't think the market would even be that strong for him.
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Good question. I think Boston is the best trade partner. They are laughable in terms of bigs and they also have numerous picks and a glut of wings. I would personally target Jaylen Brown.

In terms of blowing it up - watching us lose Gobert (and our pick to Memphis) in 2021 is rock bottom blowing it up. If that might be possible, we need to consider a trade prior to that.



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LoPo said:
Good question. I think Boston is the best trade partner. They are laughable in terms of bigs and they also have numerous picks and a glut of wings. I would personally target Jaylen Brown.

In terms of blowing it up - watching us lose Gobert (and our pick to Memphis) in 2021 is rock bottom blowing it up. If that might be possible, we need to consider a trade prior to that.



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If DL ever proved he was willing to sink with whatever ship Dante was on, but went and moved Gobert, I’d be completely done.
 
Only way you move Rudy is if DM says its him or me. Other possibility is if he turns down an extension this summer. No reason to do it in season... Boston also can't trade Jalen Brown until this summer (if that is your major Rudy buyer).

Times are rough... I get it... I drove home from Bakersfield yesterday and had a lot of time to think about what we could do... Had talked myself into Conley for CP3 as the ultimate panic move that might actually work... times are rough, but we don't need to go full spaz.

I'm fine if people want to talk about trading Rudy as a thought experiment... but there is no scenario that we trade Rudy and get better imo. I just don't see moving him as the answer to our offensive woes and it creates a hole the size of the grand canyon on defense.
 
infection said:
If DL ever proved he was willing to sink with whatever ship Dante was on, but went and moved Gobert, I’d be completely done.
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LOLing so hard right now... DL is gonna be talking about all the ways it should have worked out with Dante in like 25 years.
 
I really hate the fact that Gobert made a big scene about needing to get the ball more. He acts like a petulant child sometimes - crying when he doesn't make the All Star Team, give me a break. Then does anybody remember who played for us in our down to the wire game in Milwaukee back on the 25th, days before we got blown out by Indiana and Toronto. He doesn't deserve the ball more when he can't seem to hang onto anything more than a perfectly placed alley-oop. And I haven't seen the same fire and sense of urgency on the defensive end that earned him back to back DPOY. But there's no trade out there that favors us. But the coach has to quit indulging Gobert's fantasies of being a first option p n' r kind of player IMO.

The only thing I can remotely think of that has any value is Gobert and Conley for Steven Adams and Chris Paul, but Adams has been playing like crap this season and Paul is too ball dominant IMO. Both our guys have the potential to be better than what those guys are now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Only way you move Rudy is if DM says its him or me. Other possibility is if he turns down an extension this summer. No reason to do it in season... Boston also can't trade Jalen Brown until this summer (if that is your major Rudy buyer).

Times are rough... I get it... I drove home from Bakersfield yesterday and had a lot of time to think about what we could do... Had talked myself into Conley for CP3 as the ultimate panic move that might actually work... times are rough, but we don't need to go full spaz.

I'm fine if people want to talk about trading Rudy as a thought experiment... but there is no scenario that we trade Rudy and get better imo. I just don't see moving him as the answer to our offensive woes and it creates a hole the size of the grand canyon on defense.
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Do you think okc would do a Conley for cp3 trade? How long is cp3 contract?

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Once Gobert loses a step, he's going to be the guy everybody complains about. The guy isn't a Gasol or Ibaka. He has almost zero offensive game outside of setting screens and dunking lobs. Also, how effective has he been in the playoffs? I know he is great, but has his impact been that substantial in the playoffs? Is he really that essential come playoff time?

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Rough spot. To tank right they would need to get Donovan out for season with an injury, trade Gobert and Bojan for a mountain of picks and young players, trade Green and Davis for a late second round pick each, and roll out Conley Exum Niang, Brantley and Bradley and hope like hell that another team wants to shed salary next season so they will take exum or conley in July.

But Memphis is owed a pick and that is dangling out there driving part of Jazz decisions.
 
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