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[da ThRONe]

Trey Burke dunked in college, he dunks now and then in warmup. He can dunk, so is he athletic now to you? Personally I think anyone who is listed at 6'0 that can dunk is athletic. Although I think he is closer to 5"10 or 11.

Google Trey Burke dunk you will find plenty of videos. Watch his highlight reel from this year he blows by plenty of players. He doesnt have elite speed but he is not the bottom of the league. He has enough speed to get by people and good handle, which is more important for a PG imo. He does push the ball on fast breaks. He didnt for a long time until the coaching staff pushed him to do this more, still needs to improve in this area, especially passing on fast breaks.

There are plenty of things to dislike about Trey's game but the blind hate is silly. People claiming he isnt going to make it in the NBA or that he is the worst player in the league is silly.

This is the part that I don't understand as well. Burke has shot the ball like crap, and been either bad or subpar on defense his whole career. No need to go into hyperbole mode.

 

[orangello]

Don't get defensive just be specific with your comments. The mere fact that kanter had another season as a pro makes it different. Not to mention Burke due to injury was asked by the coaching staff to be more aggressive. Kanter was that aggressive even without said injuries.

You're blowing this way out of proportion. My comment was that getting rid of Burke was addition by subtraction.

After that you ran with what you thought I meant and it wasn't at all what I meant.

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[gregbroncs]

If you did not see improvement in Burkes defense after he got benched and changed his effort level a lot on defense then you either did not watch the games towards the end of the season or your blind with hatred towards Burke.

I agree he improved. But he was still a below average defender against backup PG's. Nothing else in his game improved except his # of points and shot attempts. He was asked to be a bench scorer so I'll even give him that one. This year we don't need him to be a bench scorer so what does he bring to the table? What is it that screams average NBA player? I see nothing. As I said I'd be fine with cutting him altogether. I'd prefer they find a trade for him even if it's for very little. I have no fear that he'll ever come back to bite us if he leaves.

 

[zman1527]

I said watch his highlight video someone already embedded on the forum. You see him blow by people throughout. That's answering your question. As for dunking some players see it as a waste of energy as dunks and layups all count the same. I've seen Trey dunk in a vine from when he was in the Philippines.

I watched a lot of games, that is more significant than a highlight reel that can make anyone look a HOFer. TB is slow and unathletic. He does not "blow by" people, he does not dunk, he is very poor on the fastbreak opportunities.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I watched a lot of games, that is more significant than a highlight reel that can make anyone look a HOFer. TB is slow and unathletic. He does not "blow by" people, he does not dunk, he is very poor on the fastbreak opportunities.

If he can dunk, and does blow by people in highlight reels then he has athleticism. Even if he only uses his athleticism sometimes, he still has it. Highlight reels do make players look better but they dont make them more athletic than they are. Either you can dunk or you cant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0VR6xN2ygw

 

[mellow]

i thought this was intereting to read in retrospect....

Extremely fast in the open floor, Burke is an excellent ball-handler, capable of playing at different speeds and showing a terrific burst blowing by opponents en-route to the rim. He does a good job of keeping his dribble alive and weaving his way around traffic, which allows him to draw the defense and find open shooters spotting up on the wing or cutters diving to the basket.

While much more of a scorer than a pure playmaker at this stage, Burke is capable of creating for others as well, doing a good job reading the floor and anticipating teammates getting open. He makes smart passes ahead in transition, and is very effective in particular on the drive and dish.

Burke's best weapon offensively revolves around his jump-shot, as he has very good shooting mechanics, and is equally effective spotting up with his feet set as he is pulling up off the dribble. He in fact took almost twice as many jumpers off the dribble last season as he did with his feet set, but made both at nearly the same rate (38-39%).

From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3fnUnjQFu
https://www.draftexpress.com

 

[Just Ted]

Yup, see this all the time. Guys have a player that hate and think he has no talent but want to trade him for Lebron and 3 number ones.

I would happily trade him to anyone in the WC as a trojan horse stealth bomb, kinda like Kanter. They have some value, but their overall impact is negative to whomever they are playing for.

I'm more realistic... I just want Lebron and 2 number ones. I think we can make this happen.

 

[da ThRONe]

You're blowing this way out of proportion. My comment was that getting rid of Burke was addition by subtraction.

After that you ran with what you thought I meant and it wasn't at all what I meant.

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Sometimes I wonder do people even read what they type. Your comment was "I agree, just like Kanter". I replied pointing out some differences between Kanter when he was traded and Burke. You then replied to me saying that wasn't what you were talking about. I answered saying the miscommunication was due to a lack of detail in your post. Which my points are still valid about Kanter and Burke situation with the team.

 

[fishonjazz]

I vote that burke is short, slow, and unathletic

 

[da ThRONe]

If he can dunk, and does blow by people in highlight reels then he has athleticism. Even if he only uses his athleticism sometimes, he still has it. Highlight reels do make players look better but they dont make them more athletic than they are. Either you can dunk or you cant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0VR6xN2ygw

Maybe he thinks the rims are lower in college.

He has basically said I don't care if there's video evidence of me being inaccurate. Those videos are just made to make him look good therefore they aren't valid.

 

[zman1527]

Maybe he thinks the rims are lower in college.

He has basically said I don't care if there's video evidence of me being inaccurate. Those videos are just made to make him look good therefore they aren't valid.

What I have said is that I have watched many jazz games over the last 2 years and have seen that Tb is slow and unathletic. I then asked "When was the last time you have seen him dunk?" , meaning obviously in a Jazz game, not a college highlight reel. I never said he could never dunk the ball. If he is so athletic why have we never seen him dunk as a jazz team member?

 

[Jamezz]

What I have said is that I have watched many jazz games over the last 2 years and have seen that Tb is slow and unathletic. I then asked "When was the last time you have seen him dunk?" , meaning obviously in a Jazz game, not a college highlight reel. I never said he could never dunk the ball. If he is so athletic why have we never seen him dunk as a jazz team member?

Stockton couldn't dunk either, this is the part of his game that concerns me the least.

 

[Ron Mexico]

What I have said is that I have watched many jazz games over the last 2 years and have seen that Tb is slow and unathletic. I then asked "When was the last time you have seen him dunk?" , meaning obviously in a Jazz game, not a college highlight reel. I never said he could never dunk the ball. If he is so athletic why have we never seen him dunk as a jazz team member?

He dunks in warmup sometimes.

Also are you saying he used to be athletic in College but now he isnt because he doesnt dunk in the NBA... ?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Who cares if he dunks? He shoots 38%/31%, ignores teammates who are open, dribbles down the shot clock before going 1-on-3, takes the 2nd most shots on the team and plays with the pace of my grandma. Dunking in a game isn't going to change that. He was a bad draft pick and it's time to move on.

 

[Ron Mexico]

We did give him two years to develop. I guess we should give up on that high draft pick. Hope Exum is really good this year otherwise we will have to give up on him too. Wish we had given up on Favors, he was not good after 2 years.

 

[da ThRONe]

We did give him two years to develop. I guess we should give up on that high draft pick. Hope Exum is really good this year otherwise we will have to give up on him too. Wish we had given up on Favors, he was not good after 2 years.

The stats that I posted earlier was from Steve Nash's 3rd year in the league. Two teams gave up on Nash. Luckily for Phoenix they got him back. It's insane to think a player that spent two years in college in two more as a pro is finished developing. I can understand the pessimism as it relates to Burke. But a lot of the comments just come off as illogical hate.

 

[Douchebag K]

Trey Burke dunked in college, he dunks now and then in warmup. He can dunk, so is he athletic now to you? Personally I think anyone who is listed at 6'0 that can dunk is athletic. Although I think he is closer to 5"10 or 11.

Google Trey Burke dunk you will find plenty of videos. Watch his highlight reel from this year he blows by plenty of players. He doesnt have elite speed but he is not the bottom of the league. He has enough speed to get by people and good handle, which is more important for a PG imo. He does push the ball on fast breaks. He didnt for a long time until the coaching staff pushed him to do this more, still needs to improve in this area, especially passing on fast breaks.

There are plenty of things to dislike about Trey's game but the blind hate is silly. People claiming he isnt going to make it in the NBA or that he is the worst player in the league is silly.

lol "still needs to improve on fast breaks" is like saying Donald Trump needs to work on humility ... I'm sorry but TB is short, slow for a 6 ft NBA guard, an average shooter and passer at best and terrible defender but worst of all doesn't understand or play within his limitations. His only hope is if he severely curtails his shot attempts and purely becomes a facilitator point guard. He has a good handle on the ball. 10-15 mins as a backup bringing the ball and setting up the better players and only shooting good open shots and i'd be very happy with him as a backup but i don't see him accepting that.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think if Trey becomes a knock down shooter like he was in college over the next two seasons he will be a great fit on our bench. We have hood or Burks to score and facilitate if needed in the second unit. The best fit at PG for our second unit is a good shooter. Maybe that never happens but he has a chance to do that. No reason to cut or trade for nothing a player that is not costing us that much. We can give him time to develop, unless a good trade comes along. He has also shown that he listens to the coaching staff we have and makes adjustments. He worked a lot on the mid range floater that was inconsistent last season but improving throughout the season that the coaching staff made a priority for him last off season.

Glad our coaching staff and FO are not as impatient as this board is with a player who would have just finished his senior year of college had he not come out early.

He accepted a role as backup and played hard and showed improvement. He has shown no reason why he wouldn't accept a different role or work on different aspects of the game. He has been a pretty class act with how he has handled everything.

Why not see what he does between the start of the season and the trade deadline? Very low risk high reward to let him show if he improved and raise his trade value or prove to be a good backup pg.

 

[gregbroncs]

I think if Trey becomes a knock down shooter like he was in college over the next two seasons he will be a great fit on our bench. We have hood or Burks to score and facilitate if needed in the second unit. The best fit at PG for our second unit is a good shooter. Maybe that never happens but he has a chance to do that. No reason to cut or trade for nothing a player that is not costing us that much. We can give him time to develop, unless a good trade comes along. He has also shown that he listens to the coaching staff we have and makes adjustments. He worked a lot on the mid range floater that was inconsistent last season but improving throughout the season that the coaching staff made a priority for him last off season.

Glad our coaching staff and FO are not as impatient as this board is with a player who would have just finished his senior year of college had he not come out early.

He accepted a role as backup and played hard and showed improvement. He has shown no reason why he wouldn't accept a different role or work on different aspects of the game. He has been a pretty class act with how he has handled everything.

Why not see what he does between the start of the season and the trade deadline? Very low risk high reward to let him show if he improved and raise his trade value or prove to be a good backup pg.

My main answer to this is because we have a player that is showing to have far more potential and has more NBA quality skills, in Cotton. If we didn't have Cotton I'd be all for giving Burke another year. I believe that year is better spent developing the better player with a higher ceiling.

 

[Ron Mexico]

My main answer to this is because we have a player that is showing to have far more potential and has more NBA quality skills, in Cotton. If we didn't have Cotton I'd be all for giving Burke another year. I believe that year is better spent developing the better player with a higher ceiling.

I dont think Cotton will outplay Burke, I guess we will see when the season starts. I also dont think Cotton will ever be a good shooter. Him and Burks coming off the bench together seems like a bad fit. Time will tell I guess.

Also it hurts nothing to let these two compete for the backup spot during the regular season for awhile. Especially compared to your suggestion of dumping Burke. If Cotton outplays him consistently he will earn more minutes and then you can still dump Burke. Again 0 reason to get rid of a young player who has a lot invested in him for nothing.