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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
Guys we could flip for draft assets:

- Mike
- Bogey
- Vando
- JC
- Bev
- Beasley

May have to take back some bad salary to do it on some of them... but we will have infinity cap space. Move 1 or 2 prior to the year starting... then move the others as opportunities arise. What we would have already received for Don and Rudy is huge... what we have left to sell off is still pretty staggering.
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I don't want to trade Vando. He is young and a very good defender. After watching him guard Curry. He is exactly what teams need. Not everyone can be offense- oriented. Plus, I doubt you can get a first for him. I like to keep Beasley to see what we have. I think he could be traded at the trade deadline next year. All the other guys can go because they are not in our timeline and perhaps can bring back more first round picks.
 
cowhide said:
I don't want to trade Vando. He is young and a very good defender. After watching him guard Curry. He is exactly what teams need. Not everyone can be offense- oriented. Plus, I doubt you can get a first for him. I like to keep Beasley to see what we have. I think he could be traded at the trade deadline next year. All the other guys can go because they are not in our timeline and perhaps can bring back more first round picks
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Yup
 
cowhide said:
I don't want to trade Vando. He is young and a very good defender. After watching him guard Curry. He is exactly what teams need. Not everyone can be offense- oriented. Plus, I doubt you can get a first for him. I like to keep Beasley to see what we have. I think he could be traded at the trade deadline next year. All the other guys can go because they are not in our timeline and perhaps can bring back more first round picks.
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Bodhi said:
Yup
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I'm not selling him for nothing... but if you get a good first for him then you move him. Trade current value for future value. He might even get more if combined with another dude like Mike or Bogey... He doesn't have to go by any means... but if he has high value then we cashing out.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
RJ Barret averaged 25-6-4 post-all star break. Granted the shooting numbers werent great, but he averaged 8 FTA per game.

He's a 6'6 guard who can be a primary ball-handler.

He had a 46 point game vs Miami where he got 22 FTA's.

Him being the 3rd overall pick works against him more than it works for him because people are disappointed with where he is at relative to his draft position.

The best players on his team around him were Julius Randle (everyone hates him), Evan Fournier (he's a bench player on most playoff teams), and Alec Burks (lmao).

Only 22 years old, just turned 22 in June.

He;s also been playing for Coach Thibs, who isnt exactly an offensive genius.
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iow, he shot a lot.

6 and 4 is fine - nothing to write home about, but it's not terrible. and again regarding his situation with the knicks and those excuses - he was no different at duke. he had one of the most dominant players in college basketball history in the frontcourt with him and he still couldn't help but chuck inefficiently. it's just who he is. he's an inefficient chucker who rebounds a little bit.

and again, regarding the fact he's 22. if he were improving each season, that would hold more water. you should get better from 21 to 22. All that said, he is still young and might someday figure it out. but let somebody else take that risk - the asking price right now is too high. the risk/reward with Barrett just doesn't work. if he were a guy that his team were giving up on and you could get him for cheap, hell yeah, you make that deal. but the asking price is pretty much that of a 22 yo all-star.
 
I would love to have RJ but even the Knicks are not dumb enough to trade him with all those picks. Either you get less picks or RJ. I prefer getting more unprotected picks because as good as RJ is he cannot carry a team. If the Jazz are blowing it up then getting a replacement for DM keeps us where we are now. I want out picks to be in top 4 range the next few years. With Barnett and Toppin and Quickley plus Beasley and JC, Bogie and Conley the Jazz might be too good to be awful. I know they can get rid of some of those guys too. I am in full tank mode, so I want the worse team as possible next year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm not selling him for nothing... but if you get a good first for him then you move him. Trade current value for future value. He might even get more if combined with another dude like Mike or Bogey... He doesn't have to go by any means... but if he has high value then we cashing out.
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You cannot trade everyone. We need guys on the team this year. You can always trade him later if he doesn't fit team/find a role.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
iow, he shot a lot.

6 and 4 is fine - nothing to write home about, but it's not terrible. and again regarding his situation with the knicks and those excuses - he was no different at duke. he had one of the most dominant players in college basketball history in the frontcourt with him and he still couldn't help but chuck inefficiently. it's just who he is. he's an inefficient chucker who rebounds a little bit.

and again, regarding the fact he's 22. if he were improving each season, that would hold more water. you should get better from 21 to 22. All that said, he is still young and might someday figure it out. but let somebody else take that risk - the asking price right now is too high. the risk/reward with Barrett just doesn't work. if he were a guy that his team were giving up on and you could get him for cheap, hell yeah, you make that deal. but the asking price is pretty much that of a 22 yo all-star.
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What's the risk? You have a 6'6 player who is a good athlete who can draw fouls at a high rate while having no huge weaknesses...

And he averaged 23 on 19 shots in college. Not great efficiency by any means, but it's hardly bad.
 
cowhide said:
You cannot trade everyone. We need guys on the team this year. You can always trade him later if he doesn't fit team/find a role.
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Respectfully, I disagree with that view. If you can get more picks for Bogey, Conley, Clarkson, Beverley and Beasley they should go for it. Play the guys you get sent to cover salary in the trade. Then, maybe look to flip them at the deadline for more assets if you’re able to. Completely turn the roster over twice in less than one full season and accumulate the biggest haul of draft picks that has ever been seen.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You don’t think we could get 12 1sts total for Donovan, Beverley, Clarkson, Conley, Beasley, Bogey and Vanderbilt?
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No. (Or maybe if we do, somehow, they'll be on average about pick 25. I doubt teams will be giving us many likely high-quality picks.) As usual, I'll hope to be proven wrong.
 
idiot said:
No. (Or maybe if we do, somehow, they'll be on average about pick 25. I doubt teams will be giving us many likely high-quality picks.) As usual, I'll hope to be proven wrong.
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I mean, look what you can do with 1st round picks.

Jerami Grant and Malcom Brogdon were traded for a single 1st rounder.

Dejounte Murray was traded for 3 first rounders and a swap.

None of the picks that were traded are clearly destined to be lottery picks.

Having a big base of draft assets is huge. Draft assets are universal currency in the NBA. Once you use it on a player, the currency becomes less universal. It's good to have a lot of picks spread out over years knowing full well you will only actually use half of them to draft with.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, look what you can do with 1st round picks.

Jerami Grant and Malcom Brogdon were traded for a single 1st rounder.

Dejounte Murray was traded for 3 first rounders and a swap.

None of the picks that were traded are clearly destined to be lottery picks.

Having a big base of draft assets is huge. Draft assets are universal currency in the NBA. Once you use it on a player, the currency becomes less universal. It's good to have a lot of picks spread out over years knowing full well you will only actually use half of them to draft with.
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Sure. This makes sense. I want a large cache of draft picks if we're really tanking.

Not sure why you're responding to me though. The part you quoted me about was merely expressing doubt that we can get 12 1st rounders for the pieces we may be selling.
 
If you can get Ben Simmons and have a sit down meeting with him where you discuss everything with him in an open and honest way, and he's willing to play in Utah, that would probably be my main target tbh.

Get him and you put the right pieces around him and you have a top 20 player. Maybe you hold off on the pieces part so you can lose a lot of games while you rebuild his confidence, then you draft Victor and you are looking at a dynasty.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If you can get Ben Simmons and have a sit down meeting with him where you discuss everything with him in an open and honest way, and he's willing to play in Utah, that would probably be my main target tbh.

Get him and you put the right pieces around him and you have a top 20 player. Maybe you hold off on the pieces part so you can lose a lot of games while you rebuild his confidence, then you draft Victor and you are looking at a dynasty.
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Wembayana and a rehabilitated Ben Simmons (if he gets back to peak) would be AMAZING.

Plus, all them juicy picks. . .
 
People here are genuinely not interested in our current prospects at all. Don't they have a game in Vegas in about an hour? There's not even a game thread to post this in. Haha.
 
just because said:
People here are genuinely not interested in our current prospects at all. Don't they have a game in Vegas in about an hour? There's not even a game thread to post this in. Haha.
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Not to be disparaging but they're all a bunch of crap, aside from maybe Butler. Don't think there's a quality future starter in the bunch.
 
PresidioTrojan said:
Not to be disparaging but they're all a bunch of crap, aside from maybe Butler. Don't think there's a quality future starter in the bunch.
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And to be honest, Butler doesn’t interest me all that much because they traded out of the first round to take him, which means he’s only under team control for two seasons instead of 4. Now they’ll have to pay him too early to know what they have. IMO - I might just let Butler hit RFA and see what market (if any) he has then.
 
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