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LoPo said:
Helps Curry's efficiency when he's not being the focus of attention.

Pick an argument guys. You can't take every angle.

Don has been the absolute focus of our opponent's defense for 4.5 years. What he has done, has been pretty legendary. But keep on bashing him lame *** fans.

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Of course it helps his efficiency, but he’s also proven over time he’s efficient on his own. You didn’t want to use FG% for a reason, so don’t cozy up to it now.

And yes, Donovan has been the focal point of the offense. But to say he hasn’t had good quality weapons around him is ridiculous. The Jazz had top tier offenses under Snyder.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Of course it helps his efficiency, but he’s also proven over time he’s efficient on his own. You didn’t want to use FG% for a reason, so don’t cozy up to it now.

And yes, Donovan has been the focal point of the offense. But to say he hasn’t had good quality weapons around him is ridiculous. The Jazz had top tier offenses under Snyder.
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Of course Curry looks amazing in hindsight. That's what makes this hard, but I'm talking about the first 5 years.

JUST IN THOSE 5 YEARS, there were things Don did better than Steph, and things Steph did better than Don. Overall, they were about the same player - good on offense and not good on defense. That was my whole point.

But once again, people are out there clutching at any straw to beat down any attempt to celebrate Donovan Mitchell.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Of course it helps his efficiency, but he’s also proven over time he’s efficient on his own. You didn’t want to use FG% for a reason, so don’t cozy up to it now.

And yes, Donovan has been the focal point of the offense. But to say he hasn’t had good quality weapons around him is ridiculous. The Jazz had top tier offenses under Snyder.
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I didn't say Don didn't have good weapons. I just said that Curry had better ones. Curry has gotten to play with Klay freaking Thompson. One of the best two way players in the history of the league. An elite shooter. Monta Ellis was also an elite scorer for a couple years there.
 
cmrd said:
You don’t seem to enjoy being here. Others don’t seem to enjoy you being here.


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Like I said before - this is a like a Trump rally. Everybody with the same toxic mindset. Everybody is on board with just dumping Donovan and losing as much as possible. I'm holding out hope that we don't stoop to those levels.

I hope we keep Donovan and win ballgames. I know we would.
 
LoPo said:
Holy **** - a couple percentage points better when he is surrounded by better offensive players.

You got me guys. Steph was on another planet his first 5 years. No comparison at all.

You lame asses will do anything to downgrade Donovan Mitchell. You just hate the guy. So pathetic for so called fans. You guys would rather lose on purpose than support Donovan Mitchell. You are disgraceful fans.

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You honestly think Donovan's career arc will mirror Steph's career arc in years six and beyond?

Steph is the greatest shooter ever (EASILY), one of the greatest guards ever, and revolutionized the NBA over the past ten years.

Donovan is an excellent, All-Star caliber basketball player. Stephen Curry is a general talent and will go down as an all-time great.

Quite a leap.
 
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LoPo said:
Of course Curry looks amazing in hindsight. That's what makes this hard, but I'm talking about the first 5 years.

JUST IN THOSE 5 YEARS, there were things Don did better than Steph, and things Steph did better than Don. Overall, they were about the same player - good on offense and not good on defense. That was my whole point.

But once again, people are out there clutching at any straw to beat down any attempt to celebrate Donovan Mitchell.
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Again, saying he’s not Curry is not beating down on him. It’s being intellectually honest. Don is a great player, nobody here is saying otherwise. It’s just that nobody other than you (and for good reason) believes his first 5 years track with Curry’s. You can spin and explain away all you want, but it’s just the plain truth. They were not playing at a similar level during those years.
 
PresidioTrojan said:
You honestly think Donovan's career arc will mirror Steph's career arc in years six and beyond?

Steph is the greatest shooter ever (EASILY), one of the greatest guards ever, and revolutionized the NBA over the past ten years.

Donovan is an excellent, All-Star caliber basketball player. Stephen Curry is a general talent and will go down as an all-time great.

Quite a leap, even for you.
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No I don't think so. Donovan is a special talent, but Curry is on another level. However, I will say Curry should be very grateful to have that ridiculously good front office, roster and coaching staff he's had in GS the last 10+ years. He did what he did and he's a top 15 player all time.

I do think Donovan Mitchell could be much better than he is right now on the right team. I actually love the roster we have here built around him. Beverley, Vanderbilt and Beasley are unlike anybody Don has really played with so far. I truly think we could build a contender with what we have plus the Gobert assets.
 
If you look at the numbers for their first 5 years in the league, Malik Beasley is very similar to Jordan Clarkson. Jordan does have a higher assist ration, though.

I think Donovan has played with Jordan Clarkson on his team before.

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Darkwing Duck said:
If you look at the numbers for their first 5 years in the league, Malik Beasley is very similar to Jordan Clarkson. Jordan does have a higher assist ration, though.

I think Donovan has played with Jordan Clarkson on his team before.

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No no no. Beasley, Bev, and Vanderbilt are unlike anything Mitchell had played with! When has he ever played with a good defensive PG that can’t shoot? Or a chucked of an off guard? Or a post player that hustles, plays good defense, but is limited offensively? Really unique guys there.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
If you look at the numbers for their first 5 years in the league, Malik Beasley is very similar to Jordan Clarkson. Jordan does have a higher assist ration, though.

I think Donovan has played with Jordan Clarkson on his team before.

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I could be wrong here... but isn't Beasley more of a spot up shooter guard with decent defense than an iso type player Clarkson is?
 
RandyForRubio said:
No no no. Beasley, Bev, and Vanderbilt are unlike anything Mitchell had played with! When has he ever played with a good defensive PG that can’t shoot? Or a chucked of an off guard? Or a post player that hustles, plays good defense, but is limited offensively? Really unique guys there.
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I'll be completely transparent - I don't know Beasley's game all that well. I thought he was a spot up shooting guard with above average defense. To my knowledge, have we had one of those in Donovan's time here? If you stretch, maybe Korver?

And I'm not being sarcastic. I'm seriously asking. If I'm wrong on Beasley, I'll eat. I have no problem with that.
 
Here is the comparison of Steph to Mitchell for their first 5 seasons per game averages, from BBall reference:

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And here is the same comparison of Mitchell to Monta Ellis for their first 5 years:

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Now, here they are in their 5th season, for comparison sake of where they got to by their 5th season in the league. Had to run separately because I won't pay $8 to subscribe to stathead.

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Definitely a tighter fit to Curry for the first 5 seasons of their careers.

Ellis had a surprisingly good 5th season. But his 5th season he lead the GSW to a 32-50 record, and even worse the season before, at 31-51, which allowed them to draft Curry. He averaged at or over 20 ppg for 6 straight seasons and 6 assists for 4 seasons but never was selected to an all-star game. Mainly because GS sucked at that time.

Of course, in his 5th season, Curry lead his team to a 54-28 record, and a first round exit in his 5th season, and in his very next season lead the team to a 65-17 record and their first championship and his first of 2 consecutive MVPs. I have a hard time seeing Mitchell making that same jump. But you never know I guess.

And Mitchell in his 5th season lead the Jazz to a 56-26 record and a first round exit. What will he do in his 6th season? MVP like Curry? For some reason I just don't see that happening. He may be closer to Curry at the same point in their careers, than he is Ellis, but I just don't see him taking that same leap Curry did in leading a team to such an impressive record and a finals appearance, just one season after he showed he won't play defense when it counts and is the worst closer in the NBA for a star player. Just don't see it.
 
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