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un educated jazz fans piss me off

I personally hate losing. I hate that we are in a position now where we are not likely to make the playoffs of field a really competitive team next season. You can talk all you want about unproven draft picks and I'm not saying the Jazz are done wheeling and dealing, but I'd much rather have a team that is borderline competitive than a team that won't make the playoffs and stink all season.

I likely won't watch any games this coming season. I don't want to watch a terrible team. Not saying that the Jazz will be terrible but we have a team full of players who are unproven, young, and a coach who is very inexperienced and has terrible clock and game management skills. I'm not saying I won't like the team in a few years, but Jazz fans clamoring for "losing" is a terrible mindset to put yourself in. I'm disappointed that we won't have a shot at anything next year other than a number 1 pick.

Like I said, a lot of fans would rather compete for the playoffs than compete for a title. The good news? The more mediocre the world becomes, the less competition I have.
 
The GSW trade just got worse in my book:
@tribjazz: Add in R. Jefferson, Carroll would have likely once again been at the end of the bench in Utah. Understand needing a change.

Yeah, because losing an end of the bench player will hurt Utah so bad...
 
Yeah, because losing an end of the bench player will hurt Utah so bad...

He had his moments. I just fear Jefferson starting or getting good minutes. That would be the worst.
Imagine this starting lineup for a sec:

Veteran PG
Hayward
Jefferson
Favors
Biedrens

Need a puke bag?
 
He had his moments. I just fear Jefferson starting or getting good minutes. That would be the worst.
Imagine this starting lineup for a sec:

Veteran PG
Hayward
Jefferson
Favors
Biedrens

Need a puke bag?

There is no way this happens. No way. Lindsay has proven over the last few weeks that he is smarter than this.
 
I love jazzfanz.com your all die hards, get the NBA and how things work. I've learned a ton by trolling this site. But I go to KSL and read the comments based on their story of this trade and you get all of the people that really think we did this trade for GSW players. They are pissed. They just don't get that this was a mad genius move and sets us up for the future. Typical fan that just wants wins... now. Happy with first round exits. I for one am stoked that the Jazz finally have a plan for the future and are looking at the big picture. Contending for a title in a few or bust.

Ah... so you're the Ultimate Troll... nice to meet you!!
 
I'm still going to follow the Jazz. I'd love for the team to develop the young players, but that should have happened last season, or the season before that. The FO basically had to take away all the previous players and any chance the team had of making the playoffs before they could "develop" the young players.

I think the Jazz will have a hard time convincing Favors and Hayward to stick around after this season. Maybe not. Maybe all the playing time will actually encourage the team to stay together. I'm excited for Burke, I'm excited about the prospect of the young players. But I still hate losing. And I'll never get on board with tanking as a strategy.

I don't want to be mediocre I want to win a championship. How do these moves secure it? It makes us a lottery team. It doesn't make us a championship team. I guess we can be the Cavs and just be a lottery team year after year who wants that?
 
I'm still going to follow the Jazz. I'd love for the team to develop the young players, but that should have happened last season, or the season before that. The FO basically had to take away all the previous players and any chance the team had of making the playoffs before they could "develop" the young players.

I think the Jazz will have a hard time convincing Favors and Hayward to stick around after this season. Maybe not. Maybe all the playing time will actually encourage the team to stay together. I'm excited for Burke, I'm excited about the prospect of the young players. But I still hate losing. And I'll never get on board with tanking as a strategy.

The Jazz don't have to any convincing to keep Favors and Hayward. They just have to match whatever contract they sign. Pretty simple stuff.
 
The Jazz don't have to any convincing to keep Favors and Hayward. They just have to match whatever contract they sign. Pretty simple stuff.

Which means will have to match a poison contract that eats up any of our extra cap space that season just to keep the players around? (I don't know anything about contracts, but I remember when Portland signed Millsap to heavily front loaded contract and we had to match it because he was a RFA, what is stopping other teams from doing this to us again?)
 
Lindsey's smart. Hopefully Ty catches up, cause he controls lineups.

Lindsay hires/fires Ty at the end of the year. I'm sure Lindsay spoke to Ty about what he expects from Ty for Ty to keep his job, and I bet wins and losses never once came up.
 
Which means will have to match a poison contract that eats up any of our extra cap space that season just to keep the players around? (I don't know anything about contracts, but I remember when Portland signed Millsap to heavily front loaded contract and we had to match it because he was a RFA, what is stopping other teams from doing this to us again?)

30 million in cap space. A poison contract helps Utah out.
 
A lot of you misunderstood what I was saying. I just hate losing.

I realize all these moves are smart and they are necessary for the Jazz to succeed in the long term. Doesn't mean I have to like the product they are going to putting on the floor each night. That being said, once OKC got Durrant they still had a bad season or two before they became really good.

I just want the Jazz to win now and always. I hate the in between losing crap seasons. I hate hearing about other teams doing well in the playoffs and not seeing the Jazz there anymore. I'm not going to jump to another team that wins because they can buy championships.

That being said, I just can't believe everyone on the board "excited" about the prospect of "losing" to me that sucks.
 
Lindsay hires/fires Ty at the end of the year. I'm sure Lindsay spoke to Ty about what he expects from Ty for Ty to keep his job, and I bet wins and losses never once came up.

All Words Should Be Started Wth A Capital Letter.
 
A lot of you misunderstood what I was saying. I just hate losing.

I realize all these moves are smart and they are necessary for the Jazz to succeed in the long term. Doesn't mean I have to like the product they are going to putting on the floor each night. That being said, once OKC got Durrant they still had a bad season or two before they became really good.

I just want the Jazz to win now and always. I hate the in between losing crap seasons. I hate hearing about other teams doing well in the playoffs and not seeing the Jazz there anymore. I'm not going to jump to another team that wins because they can buy championships.

That being said, I just can't believe everyone on the board "excited" about the prospect of "losing" to me that sucks.

Uhhhh...because we dream of being the next OKC, SA, Chicago, Indiana, Memphis competing for titles and not playoff berths?
 
Uhhhh...because we dream of being the next OKC, SA, Chicago, Indiana, Memphis competing for titles and not playoff berths?

I trust the Jazz FO and let's face it I'm not going anywhere. A lot of those teams built their teams in FA though, Chicago got really lucky and got a number 1 pick when they shouldn't have but look at teams like Portland, how many lottery seasons have they had in the past 8 or 9 years? Most of them? I don't want to see the Jazz end up that way, just perpetually trying to get the "next big thing".

I know the Jazz are smarter than that and I'll probably tolerate one or two poor seasons if we have the talent to back it up, I just don't want to see it become a trend.
 
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