I'd say it's more the fact that what they did ****ed us up big time.
We're not hurting nobody if we go young next year. So I can sleep easy knowing that.
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I'd say it's more the fact that what they did ****ed us up big time.
We're not hurting nobody if we go young next year. So I can sleep easy knowing that.
Depends on the protection of next years pick. If it's true that the 2014 is unprotected, then I'm stoked. If the 2017 is also unprotected, I'll be stunned in amazement. Otherwise, if the 2014 pick is top 3 protected or something, I'm afraid I'll have to hold on to my bitterness over not rebuilding during the lockout year.
As for now, I have to admit I'm quite enjoying the irony that Utah just pulled a tank move in a trade with the team that so many fans have trashed for being tankers. Yep, the ironing is delicious.
I do see the irony as well.. LOL.. anyway do you foresee the commentators having a hard time calling a Jazz game next year???? (i.e., with all the losses piling up?) It must be hard to keep a straight face and not say the word "tank" for the whole of 82 games??
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Roster tanking is called rebuilding. And the smart way to do it is by having several cheaper contracts (i.e. drfat picks) on the roster. In game tanking is unethical.
I know I'm late to the party...
First, I agree. I hate losing. I'm not going to turn the TV on next season and hope that the Jazz lose the game. When they make runs I'll be excited. When they're getting destroyed I'll be frustrated. I'm not rooting for this team to lose, ever.
But I'm a lifelong Jazzfan. There is zero chance I will ever root for another basketball team. Zero. The young core on this team are the Utah Jazz. If we spent one more game propping up vets that were not part of the team's long term plans that would have been real losing. That would have threatened our core team.
I don't see handing the keys to the young guys as trying to lose. I see it as accepting the possibility of losing (and understanding the upside that could come from that) but also allowing for the possibility of one or more of these young guys emerging as a star and maybe having a much better year than we could have expected. Either way, instead of bringing in help that might get a few extra wins but that would also stall the development of the young guys, we're putting our faith and our future in their hands.
Let's put ourselves in the shoes of:
Kanter
Favors
Burke
Hayward
and Burks
How do they see this?
They can look at each other and say "We are an NBA franchise. It's ours!"
This is their team now. I think this process has the potential to really put these guys on the same team, not just in the professional sense, but in the sense that their interests are mutual and depend on one another to work. They will grow together. Their success or failure is in their hands. That's not losing on purpose, that's telling these cocky young kids to show us what they've got. There are no excuses now. They have the floor and we're going to see what they've got.
In the end I'm guessing we'll realize one or two pieces of the core 5 aren't all we thought they were and don't really fit on the team. We need to find that out sooner than later.
Like I said, I'm a lifelong fan. When the Jazz finally win a championship I'm going to feel like it's mine. Hopefully it's not on the backs of a squad of superstar mercenaries that we overpay for a few years but from a core that built itself in Utah. That's what this is about, imho. Just like Corbin kept saying at the Burke press conference, it's a process. We can't skip steps.
These guys are not going to be told to go out there and lose games. No way, not a chance in hell. If they don't go out there and fight that's not a bonus. This is a year for seeing what we've really got. That's a win.
I hate when people blast other people for being uneducated, then use your instead of you're.
I'll need to rep this when I can.
Although to be fair, he was complaining about being ignorant in knowledge of the Jazz and not in grammar or spelling. But still...
gotta say you've made a good point.
(oops, I must say, you 've made a good point)
spycam1
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Lol @ casual Jazz fans.
One of my friends loves the trade and thinks Lindsey is a genius...because he thinks we added "solid vets and outside shooting" lolol. I could not for the life of me convince him that Biendrins and Jefferson are garbage and we did this move for the purpose of tanking.
He's convinced we'll make the playoffs, so I tried to cash in on his idiocy and make a bet about that, but he wouldn't bite. Still crossing my fingers I can make some money out of this.
One of my friends loves the trade and thinks Lindsey is a genius...because he thinks we added "solid vets and outside shooting" lolol. I could not for the life of me convince him that Biendrins and Jefferson are garbage and we did this move for the purpose of tanking.
He's convinced we'll make the playoffs, so I tried to cash in on his idiocy and make a bet about that, but he wouldn't bite. Still crossing my fingers I can make some money out of this.
I don't hate the trade. I think we got far better than GSW did just for the fact that if you look at it (2 "bad" contracts 1 "potential player" 2 unprotected, potential lottery picks, 2 second round picks for Iggy and a former 47th pick? compare that to what Boston got for Pierce and Garnett, I think we did better) Iguadala isn't the most consistent player in the world, and you still have a young core, with a young coach, and all they proved is they could play adaquetely enough to make the playoffs last season. They could easily fall out of the race and that pick could be in the 10 to 14 range.
I don't think Utah will be "top 3 lottery" bad, we have a lot of addition by subtraction (that I failed to logically take into account when i spoke earlier.) Favors needed to be a starter Sap/Al were in his way, Kanter deserves the chance to prove he's a player in the NBA, Hayward should have been the full time starter last season, so he'll get that shot this year. You always need "end of the bench" guys and that is what Biedrins and R Jefferson are right now. But who knows, maybe the change of scenery will be beneficial to these players and they play slightly better than they have in the past.
Pretty excited about Brandon Rush, has the potential to be a dynamic bench player for us.
Having multiple picks in a perceived deep draft is always a good thing IMO and if we can turn that into the next superstar (a la the Dwill situation) then we are much better for it, all for the cost of paying some bad contracts for a season?
spycam1
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I LOVE the trade. My point was that I love it for what it actually is: a trade that helps our future, not a trade that will help us win now because we acquired "solid vets" in Jefferson and Biendrins like some casual fans think.
You're post makes sense.
Oh Jesus... happy now?
The Fresh Prince
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Lol KSL wouldn't accept my comment. Went in on them dumbasses, guess it was too factual.
JohnnyClutch
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Rofl. I sincerely hope you don't actually have a sister.