Another player I don't really understand the hype around. Yes, he had played some good D on Derrick Rose in the playoffs. He is also a poor shooter.
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Another player I don't really understand the hype around. Yes, he had played some good D on Derrick Rose in the playoffs. He is also a poor shooter.
MattMan
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I thought the same exact thing when I read that comment. If we get lucky and end up with Golden State's 2012 lottery pick in a stacked draft full of 3's, then someone will have to explain to me why Deron Williams isn't worth, Harris, Favors, Kanter, and a 2012 lottery.
Are these pennies rare collectables?
All on a crappy team. Also has had significant injuries the last two seasons.
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MattMan
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I think the feeling is mutual, especially considering the hilarious fact that if the season is cancelled, DWill may have just played a total of 12 games for the Nets. If I could, I would give KOC a very hetro slap on the butt on this trade.
orangello
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Frankly Jazz
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Spencer Ryan isn't qualified to give his opinion on a jazzfanz thread let alone a ESPN article. Living proof any idiot can have a blog.
prodigy
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i LOL'd at that too and "pennies on the dollar" comment
Also, it's a pointless question as Utah did not have the option of drafting Jimmer with the second pick. If anything the question should have been Burks v. Leonard.
With Hayward probably a natural NBA 2 and Utah probably letting AK go, having Kwahi Leonard as the future starting 3 might have been the move and a great defensive and rebounding front line for the future with Favors, Kanter, and Leonard.
Zerol
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I don't understand why people keep wanting Hayward to be a 2. He played some PF in college and with some work in he will be an adequate, skilled SF who can shoot and is a threat outside the arc. Burks on the other hand has the potential to be a very good shooting guard in the NBA and CJ can come off the bench for either position.
Joe Bagadonuts
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It's because they watched him flourish at the 2 spot at the end of last year. I have a feeling Kobe would prefer the Jazz play him at the 3, though.
The Jazz may have had a prime D.Will, but they needed to rebuild or they would have squandered his talent and lost him anyway. Now they've got a talented young core, better financial flexibility, and a few assets to work with. Kanter, Favors and Jefferson should be one of the best front courts in the league on both sides of the ball. Hayward and Burks should be competent scorers (12 - 15 pts.) and all-around players on the wing. Now, the Jazz need to solidify the PG position and add a designated defensive stopper. Miles, Millsap and Evans are pretty decent off the bench. The rest is up to coaching and building chemistry. Hopefully, Favors or Kanter emerge as go-to players that create match-up problems for opposing teams.
You can't win in this league without impact bigs. Ask Kobe, D.Wade and Lebron James.
You can't win in this league without impact bigs. Ask Kobe, D.Wade and Lebron James.
Stifle Tower
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I don't. This was the same deal offered for Carmelo. Is Deron better than Carmelo? Yes, but Anthony is an elite scorer and the bigger the player, the higher the price. Also don't forget Carmelo is commited to staying in New York. Deron refused to make that same promise about NJ. So much more risk with the Nets taking Deron and hoping he'll stay IF they can atrract another top-tier FA.
Nets overpaid for Deron. They did so largely because the Knicks made a big move and they had to make some noise in order to stay relevant in advance of their move to Brooklyn. KOC was in the driver's seat because Deron still had a year to go. If the offer hadn't been good enough, KOC could have just refused and looked to trade Williams next season. A former all-star plus two lottery picks...that's a pretty good deal for an injured and disgruntled PG.
I'm with you on this Joe, The Haymaker did flourish @ the 2 at the end of last year. Did anyone else watch those games? Just curious.
Gyp Rosetti
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My biggest problem was Thorpe calling Millsap a slasher. ****ing dumb. He may slash between guys for rebounds and the like. But he's not a ****ing slasher.
jazzfan1971
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Who are these folks answering these questions? They are terrible.
1 - Trading Deron Williams was the right move: How the hell would we know? We don't know what discussions Deron had with management. We don't know the likelyhood he was likely to bolt. We are guessing in an information vacuum. The best I have to go on, and it's paper thin, is that when someone asked Deron if it was true that he wanted to (something like) play in NY, his answer wasn't yes or no. His answer was to dodge the question by saying the source wasn't credible. To me that indicated that he didn't have long term plans in Utah. (paper thin, like I said, but, when tea leaves are all you have you read tea leaves) Given this opinion of mine that Deron had plans to move on, the Jazz made the correct move. Even if Deron had planned on staying, the last couple months he was here he just looked like he was dogging it to me. Not to mention him helping Sloan out the door. I was ready for him to go. I'm excited about the new guys. I think we'll need 3 more years to judge whether or not this was a good move on the court or not, but, it's got my vote as being a good bet by management given the situation.
Time to say goodbye to AK? Again, it depends. If he's cheap it's not time. If he's expensive it's time. I don't know what his market value is. I don't know if he's willing to 'give back' some of that money by taking less than he's worth. I do know that he's only good for about 30 games a year, the rest of the time he's just a guy limping around with a tweaked back or modeling a suit. I love AK, but, unless he wants to take a Korver like contract it's time for him to move on down the road.
Who should start? Man, I can't believe how wrong those pundits are. It's Jefferson and Favors. Millsap is the 3rd big. Kanter will likely struggle to get more than 12-15 min. But, it's even money that a trade is made. So, until we see the roster on opening day even this question is an unknown.
Burks or Fredette: I can't say. But, how is Millsap a slasher? If I had to bet I'd put my money on Burks he just has a lot more upside with his size, age, and athleticism. I wouldn't bet the house though, maybe a donut.
Brightest future: Yup, it's Utah. On paper it's the Clippers, but, if the Clippers were so loaded how come they couldn't make the playoffs last year? It's the Clippers. If you've been watching the NBA for the last 20+ years you know that bright future and Clippers don't belong in the same sentence. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 20+ times? No thanks. Oh and don't try to sell me that this isn't your father's Clippers. This Clipper team just paid Kyrie Irving to exchange 2 years of Baron Davis for 2 years of Mo Williams. This is still your father's Clippers.
1 - Trading Deron Williams was the right move: How the hell would we know? We don't know what discussions Deron had with management. We don't know the likelyhood he was likely to bolt. We are guessing in an information vacuum. The best I have to go on, and it's paper thin, is that when someone asked Deron if it was true that he wanted to (something like) play in NY, his answer wasn't yes or no. His answer was to dodge the question by saying the source wasn't credible. To me that indicated that he didn't have long term plans in Utah. (paper thin, like I said, but, when tea leaves are all you have you read tea leaves) Given this opinion of mine that Deron had plans to move on, the Jazz made the correct move. Even if Deron had planned on staying, the last couple months he was here he just looked like he was dogging it to me. Not to mention him helping Sloan out the door. I was ready for him to go. I'm excited about the new guys. I think we'll need 3 more years to judge whether or not this was a good move on the court or not, but, it's got my vote as being a good bet by management given the situation.
Time to say goodbye to AK? Again, it depends. If he's cheap it's not time. If he's expensive it's time. I don't know what his market value is. I don't know if he's willing to 'give back' some of that money by taking less than he's worth. I do know that he's only good for about 30 games a year, the rest of the time he's just a guy limping around with a tweaked back or modeling a suit. I love AK, but, unless he wants to take a Korver like contract it's time for him to move on down the road.
Who should start? Man, I can't believe how wrong those pundits are. It's Jefferson and Favors. Millsap is the 3rd big. Kanter will likely struggle to get more than 12-15 min. But, it's even money that a trade is made. So, until we see the roster on opening day even this question is an unknown.
Burks or Fredette: I can't say. But, how is Millsap a slasher? If I had to bet I'd put my money on Burks he just has a lot more upside with his size, age, and athleticism. I wouldn't bet the house though, maybe a donut.
Brightest future: Yup, it's Utah. On paper it's the Clippers, but, if the Clippers were so loaded how come they couldn't make the playoffs last year? It's the Clippers. If you've been watching the NBA for the last 20+ years you know that bright future and Clippers don't belong in the same sentence. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 20+ times? No thanks. Oh and don't try to sell me that this isn't your father's Clippers. This Clipper team just paid Kyrie Irving to exchange 2 years of Baron Davis for 2 years of Mo Williams. This is still your father's Clippers.
A lot of his points came off slashes, especially in the Dwill era. Not that absurd of a statement.
Stifle Tower
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Ask KOC...Hayward was drafted as a potential SG. KOC talked about creating mismatches at positions when he spoke about the reasons for drafting Hayward. He certainly can't create mismatches at SF; he could as one of the tallest SG's in the league.
But things change. Hayward has put on some muscle. And CJ was told to lose weight so he could play SG. To me that says Gordon might play a lot at SF, with Millsap or CJ backing him up. Maybe CJ starts at SG and Burks gets the back up mins. Let's hope Bell only sees minutes in case of emergency.
Gyp Rosetti
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Lebron's a slasher. D Wade's a slasher. Millsap's not a slasher, imo, based on the typical usage of the term.