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Diamond77 said:
He has to hope that Corbin won't be the Jazz coach next year.

He became officially a bench player, even when Marvin sucks
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Hopefully Marvin will be gone by the trade deadline. Even if not little chance he is back. I would not mind seeing us trying to trade him to Rockets for DM and filler to make the contracts work. Also the bench Evans to give more pt to the DM, Kanter, and Favors.
 
nateboz said:
None of the Jazz'z core minus Trey are really that young.
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Burks is 22 and hasnt had playing time till this year.

Kanter is 21 and has no college bball experience and hardly any nba experience.

They are both very young
 
nateboz said:
Kanter is a stud but hasn't got athleticism to be a star. Favors is in his 4th Year and just now showing a bit of offense. I like his game alot but he is no star. Burks? Seriously? He's athletic as you can get. He however is not close to a star. Hayward is in his 4th Year too. He has the tools but he has Kirilenko'itis. He is very inconsistent. Trey has the demeanor to be a star. I Just don't see him as gifted physically to be a star. Good players, yes. Stars, no freaking way.
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It is always great to have a man who can so clearly see the future of 22-year old players. Of course, I remember how in the mid-1980s the Jazz drafted two 22-year olds in the middle of the draft, since everybody agreed that no way they could turn out to be stars: one not physically gifted point guard with a good demeanor and one offensively challenged PF...
 
doubledribble said:
It is always great to have a man who can so clearly see the future of 22-year old players. Of course, I remember how in the mid-1980s the Jazz drafted two 22-year olds in the middle of the draft, since everybody agreed that no way they could turn out to be stars: one not physically gifted point guard with a good demeanor and one offensively challenged PF...
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That couldn't possibly have turned out well. Thank God for the ellipse so that you didn't have to tell us the end of your sad tale. Unfortunately, nateboz probably won't be able to resist telling us all how that turned out, or will he...
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
That couldn't possibly have turned out well. Thank God for the ellipse so that you didn't have to tell us the end of your sad tale. Unfortunately, nateboz probably won't be able to resist telling us all how that turned out, or will he...
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Dummy, it was John and Karl.

I swear, some people shouldn't breed.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Dummy, it was John and Karl.

I swear, some people shouldn't breed.
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You ****ing dork. Did my post need to include something like this:
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Thanks to you nateboz didn't say the most idiotic thing in this thread, though. I think he owes you some rep for making that save.
 
nateboz said:
There is no freaking way there is a future star on this team. Trey is the closest thing but he'll never be more then a top 10 point guard. That's very good but no star. Every other good young player the Jazz have are good players, definitely not stars though.
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Jermaine O Neal was a late bloomer.
 
You guys can all keep thinking the Jazz can do no wrong. Fact is they have never won a championship and never will unless they make the commitment to doing so. I've grown up watching the Jazz so I have always been a fan.
My fear is that the management are as delusional as many of you guys. Comparing Derrick Favors to Karl Malone is a joke. John Stockton is my favorite player of all time. Comparing him to any of the Jazz's current players is an insult to him. Trey is very good, let's not get ahead of ourselves though.
 
doubledribble said:
It is always great to have a man who can so clearly see the future of 22-year old players. Of course, I remember how in the mid-1980s the Jazz drafted two 22-year olds in the middle of the draft, since everybody agreed that no way they could turn out to be stars: one not physically gifted point guard with a good demeanor and one offensively challenged PF...
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I have to imagine you have watched actually watched Stock and Malone. So thinking that Trey and Favors are anything like them is a far cry. It's like saying a 63 Corvette is comparable to a 2010 Mustang. They both have fans. Not a bad car but its obvious that one is superior to the other. If you honestly think that Favors and Trey or Alec, Enes, Gordon have a chance to be on that level I've got some obvious bad news for you.
 
nateboz said:
You guys can all keep thinking the Jazz can do no wrong. Fact is they have never won a championship and never will unless they make the commitment to doing so. I've grown up watching the Jazz so I have always been a fan.
My fear is that the management are as delusional as many of you guys. Comparing Derrick Favors to Karl Malone is a joke. John Stockton is my favorite player of all time. Comparing him to any of the Jazz's current players is an insult to him. Trey is very good, let's not get ahead of ourselves though.
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There is no way you could have predicted that either Karl or Stockton would have had the kind of careers they had when they were 22. You're delusional if you think people saw star power in those two at that age.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
There is no way you could have predicted that either Karl or Stockton would have had the kind of careers they had when they were 22. You're delusional if you think people saw star power in those two at that age.
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I doubt it with Stockton. Karl on the other hand I could make a good case. Stockton was just a stud. Hard worker and had an incredible durability.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
There is no way you could have predicted that either Karl or Stockton would have had the kind of careers they had when they were 22. You're delusional if you think people saw star power in those two at that age.
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I doubt it with Stockton. Karl on the other hand I could make a good case. Stockton was just a stud. Hard worker and had an incredible durability.
 
nateboz said:
I doubt it with Stockton. Karl on the other hand I could make a good case. Stockton was just a stud. Hard worker and had an incredible durability.
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So you doubt you could have seen the star power in Stockton at that age yet you are absolutely certain that our current players don't have it at the same age. Do you not see the disconnect in your argument? And BTW, do you know what position Karl was drafted in and what age he was? Do you realize how many teams passed him up? Do you think they did that because they believed he was a can't miss prospect?

You are right that it's unlikely that Kanter will have a career that comes anywhere close to Malone's, but it was also unlikely that Malone would have a career that came anywhere close to Malone. The bottom line is that you can't possibly know nearly as much about the future careers of our current players as you seem to think you do.
 
Even as a rookie Karl was a stud. By his 4th year he was playing at an all star level. Favors Kanter Burks and Hayward are still not.
I'm not saying they never will never be an allstar. I'm saying they aren't perennial all stars. That is what the jazz need. And they most likely need 2 or 3 to win a title.

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nateboz said:
Even as a rookie Karl was a stud. By his 4th year he was playing at an all star level. Favors Kanter Burks and Hayward are still not.
I'm not saying they never will never be an allstar. I'm saying they aren't perennial all stars. That is what the jazz need. And they most likely need 2 or 3 to win a title.

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It would be interesting to see how many minutes he had played compared to our guys.
 
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