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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

NAOS said:
Why are people still reading LoPo's posts? Jesus Christo, people.
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Because down deep my posts cover topics that people have at least considered. As fans, we talk through scenarios and the beautiful thing is that we all can have our opinions. Glorious.
 
LoPo said:
Of course I would rather have Fournier than Biyombo. However, Orlando probably puts positive value to Fournier and negative value to Biyombo as they should. BUT, BUT the goal here isn't Biyombo or Fournier. It's Gordon. If we want Gordon, you give up less by taking Biyombo than you do if you take Fournier.
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You weren’t clear about the trade value aspect in the post I replied to... either way I do not see ya taking on that much dead money to overpay Gordon this summer. He’s good but I’m not sold on his shooting and he can’t seem to stay healthy. He also isn’t the lock down defender people might think. He can improve but I’m not giving 40% of my cap to get him and potentially other assets.
 
I was somewhat interested in Fournier when we were all thinking that Hood would be making $20M/yr. And there are some reasons to think he'd fit better than Hood. But it's worth rolling the dice and seeing if you can get Hood for less than that. Pretty good odds right now.

I would take a good 1st rounder, though. But that's about it.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
Is Gordon worth limiting all other flexibility for the next 3 years though? If you have Biyombo at $17M/year and Gordon on a max then that's it. You're done making moves. That's your team your rolling with and you'll be limited on bench players you can sign for small deals.
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Yes, it would be worth it. You have your team. I'm not convinced someone offers Gordon a Max if the Jazz trade to get him. Additionally, I have more faith in the Jazz assembling a bench from dumpster parts than I would any other team in the league.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You weren’t clear about the trade value aspect in the post I replied to... either way I do not see ya taking on that much dead money to overpay Gordon this summer. He’s good but I’m not sold on his shooting and he can’t seem to stay healthy. He also isn’t the lock down defender people might think. He can improve but I’m not giving 40% of my cap to get him and potentially other assets.
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Good points. If the question is Gordon, then hell no don't take Fournier or Biyombo. However, if our Front Office feels like Gordon can be the player to "maximize Gobert's prime years", then you do it.

Think about it - is it better to pay Biyombo and get Gordon OR just watch Favors and Joe Johnson and maybe even Hood just leave for nothing?
 
LoPo said:
It's only two years. Biyombo makes $17 next year and $17 in 2019-20. Fournier has that extra $17 for 2020-21. We don't have to re-sign Mitchell, Gobert, Ingles or O'Neale the next two years so Biyombo hurts but doesn't screw us. Fournier's contract could screw us.
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You can play Fournier with any of the core but you can only play Biyombo in the absence of Gobert, Udoh and Favors.

Also, Fournier is a contributor and could be traded. Biyombo's only real value is that he would be expiring.
 
framer said:
They didn't say "a first." They said "a pick." In no universe does Denver trade us a first round pick this year. Their fans would burn down the building.
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Ehh, they might. They have a hug decision on Jokic coming up. They can make him a RFA this year and pay him or put it off and pay him the minimum again and he hits UFA.

Obviously they'd be stupid to disrespect him like that, so they are going to max him. That's going to put them in the LT unless they are able to move off salary. They got to figure out something either now or in the summer.
 
The landscape has changed. Philly used to be the dumping ground for unwanted salaries and the price was a 2nd or two. Teams seem to be holding to that standard. But trading partners are noe scarce. 2nds are overrated and teams are very reluctant to surrender cap space. I think the days of dumping bad contracts are over...unless 1sts are involved along with those contracts.

Jazz need to just say no. They cant jeopardize future opportunities by having dead money on the books.
 
NAOS said:
I was somewhat interested in Fournier when we were all thinking that Hood would be making $20M/yr. And there are some reasons to think he'd fit better than Hood. But it's worth rolling the dice and seeing if you can get Hood for less than that. Pretty good odds right now.

I would take a good 1st rounder, though. But that's about it.
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I wonder if we can do a two step here... send rod for a first and then flip AB and a second for Evan. Not sure they sell that low but if they really want to tank they need to get some of their useful players gone.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ehh, they might. They have a hug decision on Jokic coming up.
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Roy_McAvoy said:
Is Gordon worth limiting all other flexibility for the next 3 years though? If you have Biyombo at $17M/year and Gordon on a max then that's it. You're done making moves. That's your team your rolling with and you'll be limited on bench players you can sign for small deals.
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Lol. Why are we talking trading for Gordon and bad salary?? Hes a RFA, Orlando isnt paying him and if we are blowing $17M/yr to get him why dont we just pay him the MAX and be done with it, no bad contracts.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ehh, they might. They have a hug decision on Jokic coming up. They can make him a RFA this year and pay him or put it off and pay him the minimum again and he hits UFA.

Obviously they'd be stupid to disrespect him like that, so they are going to max him. That's going to put them in the LT unless they are able to move off salary. They got to figure out something either now or in the summer.
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Not to mention Barton is a FA too. They are cheap as a franchise and it will be tough to send faried into straight cap space this summer because options will be limited.

Their front office makes some dumb moves giving plumlee the extension was just awful... no one was going to give him that much and he’s a backup big who doesn’t space the floor or protect the rim. Really messed up their cap.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Lol. Why are we talking trading for Gordon and bad salary?? Hes a RFA, Orlando isnt paying him and if we are blowing $17M/yr to get him why dont we just pay him the MAX and be done with it, no bad contracts.
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Because we can't? We won't have that kind of cap space.
 
In 4 hours 18 minutes this will all be settled for the rest of the season, with the exception of JJ. I like Hood, but feel it may be time for both sides to mutually say goodbye. He’s who I hope to see moved the most.
 
LoPo said:
It's only two years. Biyombo makes $17 next year and $17 in 2019-20. Fournier has that extra $17 for 2020-21. We don't have to re-sign Mitchell, Gobert, Ingles or O'Neale the next two years so Biyombo hurts but doesn't screw us. Fournier's contract could screw us.
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Worst idea yet. Stay off that Magic dust man.
 
Jack Strop said:
Jazz need to just say no. They cant jeopardize future opportunities by having dead money on the books.
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See, I disagree completely. You have to strike when the opportunity is there. If we can get an amazing asset now for taking a bad salary that ends by 2019, we should do it.

Look at the numbers - Gobert is making $22 and $23.5 this year and next but his value is higher than that. Mitchell is making $2.6 and $3.1 this year and next but his value is probably $15+. Ingles is making right on his value (so he's not overpaid) the next few years. So we have the flexibility to take a bad contract if it gets that necessary asset.

Nobody is taking contracts, but have the expirings ($28 million between Favors, JoeJ and Thabo), great assets (Hood) and non-toxic assets (Burks, Udoh, and Jerekbo) that could be used to get that necessary piece.
 
hgb said:
Because we can't? We won't have that kind of cap space.
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I’m not sure why people don’t understand... we have to move AB for no salary (will cost us an asset), waive all the non guaranteed guys, and settle Exums extension at 7-8M before sending over an offer sheet... that has a very high likelihood of just getting matched...

But yeah other than that we can just sign him this offseason.
 
LoPo said:
Good points. If the question is Gordon, then hell no don't take Fournier or Biyombo. However, if our Front Office feels like Gordon can be the player to "maximize Gobert's prime years", then you do it.

Think about it - is it better to pay Biyombo and get Gordon OR just watch Favors and Joe Johnson and maybe even Hood just leave for nothing?
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Or offer Gordon the MAX and not have $17M/yr of Biyombo.

I think youve lost the plot man. Walk away for a bit and think about it for awhile, you obviously need some fresh air.
 
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