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We should move on from George Hill

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just dont think it does. He played a really good 1st round series. He proved his value. I just dont know how much a toe hurts him at the end of the day. It'd be a different conversation if he had knee surgery.
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And yet he missed 33 games with just this toe injury. Plus four playoff games. And he's 31.
 
jazzman12 said:
To me, it just doesn't feel smart to dump $25/30 million per into a guy that's on the wrong side of 30 and is probably going to give us around 60 games next year. Even if he's healthy in next years playoffs, does he really get us over the hump with GSW? No. It's a tough spot to be in and the Jazz are gonna have to get creative/lucky if they let Hill walk but that's why Lindsey gets paid the big bucks.

Committing that much cash to Hill honestly feels like Utah locks into being the 4th or 5th best team in the West for the next 4 or 5 years with an annual second round ouster from the playoffs (and that's if Hill is healthy).
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Spot on.
 
GVC said:
If Hill walks, the Jazz don't have the cap space to add anyone else. Are you suggesting the Jazz have a better shot at a championship with less talent/tradeable assets?
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lol, how much do you think the Jazz are gonna sign Hill for? Give a number.
 
It's just insane to me that people want to forget about Hill in the Clippers series just because Hill missed the GSW series.
 
dalamon said:
lol, how much do you think the Jazz are gonna sign Hill for? Give a number.
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4/48.

Hell, nobody even wanted to pay Steph Curry that much with his injury history. Hell, not even Millsap could get a long term deal an he was always healthy, always productive. 9.5 million for two years? What a deal, but I digress.

Jazz sign Hill long term on the cheap or short term for plus. 4/48 or 2/16.
 
Our guys are sort of hitting FA at the worst possible time. The cap peaks this summer (may stay the same or go down next) and we likely have veterans Hayward and Hill as free agents this summer, able to get insane deals, and this just on the coattails of Rudy getting about 20M (a value) per, while other guys will be hitting the market next summer and thereafter.

In short, we can't keep everyone unless Hayward and/or Hill shock us with what they accept. And that's not happening. And if we have 85M tied up in the big three, what do we have left for two other starters and a bench, even if we go 5M over the LT. It sucks. It really does.

I am praying Lindsey works some magic. Maybe the Kings are on the clock at 10 and Dennis Smith is still there. The Kings, a thin team, with Divac the dumbass at the helm, maybe takes Exum or Hood, Favors, Burks, our 24th, a 2019 unprotected 1st and a couple 2nds.
 
dalamon said:
Dump Hill? He is no longer under contract. Boris can be dumped with ease, and Favors and Burks would be factors if we had to re-sign Hill as well.
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Boris always dumps with ease. The secret is bacon grease.

WTS Boris is on team option an still has veteran value but nobody contending can afford to pick up his contract outright so zero value as trade fodder.
 
I def call the Hornets about Kemba. Definitely. Really good established point who's not old and therefore won't slow our progress and has two years left on his contract at just 12M per.

I know it ain't happening but name me another top 15 point guard who won't break the bank who may be available. Remote shot but maybe.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Our guys are sort of hitting FA at the worst possible time. The cap peaks this summer (may stay the same or go down next) and we likely have veterans Hayward and Hill as free agents this summer, able to get insane deals, and this just on the coattails of Rudy getting about 20M (a value) per, while other guys will be hitting the market next summer and thereafter.

In short, we can't keep everyone unless Hayward and/or Hill shock us with what they accept. And that's not happening. And if we have 85M tied up in the big three, what do we have left for two other starters and a bench, even if we go 5M over the LT. It sucks. It really does.

I am praying Lindsey works some magic. Maybe the Kings are on the clock at 10 and Dennis Smith is still there. The Kings, a thin team, with Divac the dumbass at the helm, maybe takes Exum or Hood, Favors, Burks, our 24th, a 2019 unprotected 1st and a couple 2nds.
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Hayward wants a title. He has said as much an using threatening to leave language EXACTLY like Deron did. He needs to team up in a Big Three an that means Hayward, Gobert, Westbrook. Here.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I def call the Hornets about Kemba. Definitely. Really good established point who's not old and therefore won't slow our progress and has two years left on his contract at just 12M per.

I know it ain't happening but name me another top 15 point guard who won't break the bank who may be available. Remote shot but maybe.
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Kemba will break the bank eventually.

But yeah, I'm sure CHarlotte is stoked to trade away their franchise player who is on a good contract to a team with mediocre assets.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Our guys are sort of hitting FA at the worst possible time. The cap peaks this summer (may stay the same or go down next) and we likely have veterans Hayward and Hill as free agents this summer, able to get insane deals, and this just on the coattails of Rudy getting about 20M (a value) per, while other guys will be hitting the market next summer and thereafter.

In short, we can't keep everyone unless Hayward and/or Hill shock us with what they accept. And that's not happening. And if we have 85M tied up in the big three, what do we have left for two other starters and a bench, even if we go 5M over the LT. It sucks. It really does.

I am praying Lindsey works some magic. Maybe the Kings are on the clock at 10 and Dennis Smith is still there. The Kings, a thin team, with Divac the dumbass at the helm, maybe takes Exum or Hood, Favors, Burks, our 24th, a 2019 unprotected 1st and a couple 2nds.
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Yes, that is how basketball works. You get to have 2 or 3 big contracts and a bunch of small ones.
 
Just looked at a mid-season ranking of the top 30 point guards. Ish Smith is an interesting name but he can't shoot.

I think Patty Mills may be the way to go. I have no idea what the Spurs would be willing to pay him but he's 28 and exceptional offensively, and may cost 35-40% of what Hill would cost. Is Hill that much better though?

I think given all the names out there, I would prefer signing Mills. I'm just not sure how high we'd have to go.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Just looked at a mid-season ranking of the top 30 point guards. Ish Smith is an interesting name but he can't shoot.

I think Patty Mills may be the way to go. I have no idea what the Spurs would be willing to pay him but he's 28 and exceptional offensively, and may cost 35-40% of what Hill would cost. Is Hill that much better though?

I think given all the names out there, I would prefer signing Mills. I'm just not sure how high we'd have to go.
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We are talking about upgrading Hill and you are talking about Mills...
 
For those of you advocating re-signing Hill (and Hayward of course), please financially spell out the financials for each player next year and the year after, and how we'd fill out the rest of our team with player and accompanying contract examples.
 
Mills is going to get like 12-15 million a year. That is still going to cap us out and make it hard to sign anyone else. So the result is the same of signing Hill or Mills. If we are willing to pay LT, then it doesnt make sense to not sign Hill and target target those mid-priced options.
 
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