LifeOnaPlate
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Hate to say it, but this is one of the dumbest threads ever.
What kind of message is Jazz management trying to send?
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Everyone besides the OP has ruined this thread.
addictionary
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The Jazz will experience a very different season than the previous ones this year. New kids with opposite attitudes and almost all of them are winner mentalities. They never let the game go. Jazz is changing. Deal with it. It's the only way to have a chance to be a name again.
The message is the guys they had suck and they want to see what their drafted players have, then use the saved money by letting eveyrone walk to sign FA in the off-season or extend the players they have.
You had me going for a minute. I was about to rip you a new one.
And then I was like, whose alt is this? Ugli? Gameface?
Chargers Jazz Angels
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message was to Ty if you want to play vets we will give you sucky sucky ones.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I came close to negging you. Say no to batman!
Yes please... A swift response to this would be welcomed.
We've been mediocre for about the last 8 or however many years it's been since Stockton and Malone left, and I'd like to actually break into the top 4 in the playoffs. Remember when we did that every year, and felt we were contenders. I'd like to have that feeling again. So if I have to stomach losing for one year... Yah! I think I'l deal.
ATB
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IF you take a seriously look at all the free agents that were let go ......they were marginaly good at best ... I'm sure they would make great beanch players on a good team ..but thats about it ..it's not like we were letting go NBA superstars in thier prime .. I really don't mind it at all 
.... Other then last year was a definate waste considering we were making old vets happy that were just going to be shipped off to other teams.. I figure this year if we seriously tank it will ensure that we won't see corbin again either 
.... Other then last year was a definate waste considering we were making old vets happy that were just going to be shipped off to other teams.. I figure this year if we seriously tank it will ensure that we won't see corbin again either 
The problem that I see is that is that is 9 young guys. You figer may 3 will be traded, bust or something else. Not all of these guys are going to pan out or fit into Utah's future plans. That will free up some room for some FAs down the road.
Say Burks, Gobert and the GS 2014 pick move on or Bust (picked at random) Suddenly we are at 6 guys not 9. Whole different ball game then.
Stifle Tower
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Right. But each year we have an additional 1st round pick and perhaps will bring over a player we have "drafted and stashed." Like Neto next year, whoever we get in the 2014 draft with our high 2nd-rounder the year after, etc. Not saying the Jazz never bring over a FA. And some of the youth could be moved to bring in a starter or 6th man type. OKC traded Green, for example. I think trades are much more likely to bring in impact players than via free agency. Free agents are usually overpaid, at least the really good ones. Lindsey is more of a bargain shopper. He'll likely wait until late-July, early August when solid vets are still looking for homes to fill out any holes in the roster each year.
I used your figures that factor in Neto and the 2 picks next year. My point being is that is highly unlikely that everyone pans out and stays with the team. So when I say six (in my example) it would be Burke, Neto, Hayward, Favors, Kanter and 1 pick next year. That ocunts everyone that would be under contract with us next year (excluding a 2nd round pick). I think the base of our team is assured. I do think there will be a little more room than you are expecting.
I can also see Lindsey turning a couple assets into a big name player. I think Lindsey will continue to look for bold, aggressive moves. He will continue to surprise us.
Stifle Tower
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Utah's strength, IMO, is that we have solid prospects at every position. OKC has struggled to find a decent center: drafting Aldrich, dealing Green for Perkins, trading for Aldrich and now drafting Adams, who might be the solution to their biggest problem. But now they're weak at SG, losing Harden last year and now Martin. Sefalosha, Lamb and Fisher isn't all that impressive.
Jazz have a window of 5 years starting in 2014 to win a championship with the core they'll have. After that, there's probably little chance of keeping Favors, Kanter, Hayward, the 2014 lottery pick + Burke and key backups together. One or more players will have to be traded or not re-signed. And that makes the 2017 GS pick, and any "draft and stash" players all the more valuable. Need to have a pipeline of good players on rookie scale pay to replace those who become too expensive to keep/re-sign.
Jazz have a window of 5 years starting in 2014 to win a championship with the core they'll have. After that, there's probably little chance of keeping Favors, Kanter, Hayward, the 2014 lottery pick + Burke and key backups together. One or more players will have to be traded or not re-signed. And that makes the 2017 GS pick, and any "draft and stash" players all the more valuable. Need to have a pipeline of good players on rookie scale pay to replace those who become too expensive to keep/re-sign.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I see your point. There are really two directions to go next season:
1. Since the Jazz only have Favors and Hayward to re-sign, Utah could go after a "pretty big-name" FA (obviously a true "big-name" FA like Kobe or LeBron isn't coming to Utah). Or even trade for one at the deadline using the expiring contracts of Jefferson, Biedrins or Williams. Jazz could remain below the salary cap for the next 3-4 years even after signing Hayward, Favors and Kanter. Perhaps Burks becomes a casualty under this scenario.
2. Lindsey uses cap space (less money set aside for Favors and Hayward) to do another GS deal, picking up $15-$20M in junk players with 1-yr left on their contracts along with a few more 1st/2nd round picks. I could see this scenario easily playing out with teams dumping dollars to pursue the 2014 free agents.
The danger of pursuing the first option via a deadline trade is it makes the Jazz a much better team. And that might drop the Jazz several spots down in the draft (unless the Jazz find an injured player like GS did with Bogut).
If I were a gambling man, I'd bet on Lindsey using the 2nd option again, letting the youngsters PLUS the 2014 draft pick(s) have another year together before Dennis looks at bringing another rotation player in.
akirac73
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Are you serious? "Caring" is a two-way street, if Big Al really "cared" to stay on the team he would have put more effort into his defense. If Millsap really "cared" he would have gladly taken the role as a 6th man instead of insisting on being a starter. If Mo really "cared" he would have accepted his role as a mentor to Trey Burke and come off the bench instead of insisting on being a starter. Who gives a **** about "caring", this is a business, the players are making 7 to 8 figures, that's all the caring they need...
Either way I am very excited for this year. To watch the players I want. To witness their growth and chemistry unfold before my eyes. The new blood and assertiveness in the FO. Give Corbin one more chance to shine. The financial flexibility that the Jazz will have going into 2014. The cherry on top is the flood of assets that the Jazz have. Starting with two 2014 picks!
GO JAZZ!!!
green
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I think the record will dictate what the Jazz do. If we hit Feb and we are three games out of the playoffs, go hard after an All-Star. Bring someone in via trade that can get us into the playoffs, maybe even a six seed.
If we suck, then preserve options while still sucking. If we have a shot at Wiggins come Feb, do nothing to jeopardize that shot. You want to suck.
bjunior
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he did his best actually, it's not his fault that everyone overpay him and expect all-star performance by him.. he is who he is
give favors today 15mill and if he will not perform, he will be hated the next day
This thread has moved past, mostly, the initial troll.