What type of asset is Hayward?
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GVC
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Nope. Not possible.
Game6Conley
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Tyreke signed the offer sheet on July 3rd and the trade went thru July 10th
Game6Conley
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https://probasketballtalk.nbcsports...year-44-million-offer-sheet-from-new-orleans/ -Tyreke Evans agrees to four-year, $44 million offer sheet from New Orleans
dated july 3rd...
dated july 3rd...
GVC
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Link? This violates the CBA in 2 ways:
1. July 3rd is during the July moratorium, when players can't sign contracts or be traded.
2. Teams have 3 days to match offer sheets. If the offer sheet was signed on July 3rd (during the July moratorium...?), then Tyreke would already have been under contract with the Pelicans days before July 10th. You can't trade a player under contract with another team.
What I think likely happened is that Tyreke agreed to terms on an offer sheet with the Pelicans during the July moratorium (July 3rd, perhaps). Before being able to sign that offer sheet on July 10th (after the July moratorium), the Pelicans and Kings agreed to terms on a sign-and-trade. On July 10th, that sign-and-trade happened.
The offer sheet, however, was never signed.
GVC
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"Agrees to" and "signs" are not the same thing. Jesus.
Game6Conley
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Game6Conley
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dont know why your so stuck on people signing things, verbal agreements at that point in the offseason are common. (and hold plenty of weight)
you come to an agreement, dont sign it because your going to shop around further. plus the teams dont always want to sign until other free agents have settled
its standard practice
you come to an agreement, dont sign it because your going to shop around further. plus the teams dont always want to sign until other free agents have settled
its standard practice
GVC
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No ****. You're the one who was disagreeing with me, explicitly stating that Tyreke had "signed" an offer sheet. If you knew he hadn't actually "signed" the offer sheet, why did you say he had? Why would you disagree with me at all?
Where did I say or imply anything like this?
I entered the thread to reply to billyshelby, who seemed to think the Jazz could trade Gordo before he becomes a free agent, thus giving the acquiring team the right of first refusal once Gordo becomes a free agent. I pointed out that that isn't possible. I then explained that players who sign offer sheets can't be traded. All of that is correct. The discussion was over right there. I'm not sure why you decided to disagree, continue to disagree, and then throw up strange irrelevant posts to try to save face. You were wrong, dude. No biggie. It happens to all of us.
Game6Conley
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Restricted free agent and former Rookie of the Year Tyreke Evans has given the New Orleans Pelicans a verbal agreement that he will sign their four-year, $44 million offer sheet, a person with knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports. - july 3rd
so your point is this report is erroneous/ irrelevant because its not possible.. and a violation
I say it was clearly the first domino to fall, and obviously set the market price
so your point is this report is erroneous/ irrelevant because its not possible.. and a violation
I say it was clearly the first domino to fall, and obviously set the market price
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GVC
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uh, no. My point is he didn't sign the offer sheet on July 3rd because he couldn't. He didn't sign it on July 10th, when he could sign it, because the Pelicans and Kings agreed to a sign-and-trade.
Not sure if you're too stupid to understand or just trolling at this point.
Billy, Gordo can't be traded before July 10th because his contract is ending. On or after July 10th, Gordo can only be traded in a sign-and-trade.
GVC
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Again, Gordo can't be traded, especially not as BillyShelby had suggested, where the acquiring team would be trading for Gordo BEFORE he becomes a restricted free agent. Gordo CAN be involved in a sign-and-trade AFTER the July Moratorium.
Reading is fundamental. Stay in school. Holy ****ing ****.
Game6Conley
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GVC
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I have no problem with them agreeing on July 3rd to an agreement to be signed on July 10th IF nothing better comes along. That's exactly what happened.
I took issue with your story (and DaThrone's statement) that players could sign offer sheets and THEN be traded, which is exactly what you said. That can't be done, which is all I've stated.
GVC
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Wrong (x2).
Wrong.
Wrong.
It is these statements I was responding to.
Also, as stated MANY times, Gordo can't be traded. He certainly can't be traded before he becomes a free agent, thus becoming a restricted free agent for the acquiring team (as Billy had suggested). Gordo CAN be involved in a sign-and-trade AFTER the July moratorium. He can't be involved in a sign-and-trade AFTER he's already signed an offer sheet, as you've suggested repeatedly (see the above quotes).
Game6Conley
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GVC
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Did you think I meant that Gordo can't be traded for the rest of his career? Context is everything. My "He can't be traded" post was in response to billshelby's post about the acquiring team in a trade acquiring the right of first refusal. This implies that Gordo can be traded BEFORE he becomes a free agent. Thus, "he can't be traded" (because he can't).
When you asked about sign-and-trades, I explained how that works, and stated that Gordo CAN be involved in a sign-and-trade. That, of course, isn't what BillyShelby was talking about or what I was initially responding to (with "he can't be traded"). This should have been obvious.
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