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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?


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Hey Fish, please point out where Catchall said what you claim he did using his actual post. I will be interested to see if you can do it without extrapolating.
It wasn't from the post you quoted. That one came later. It was a backtrack

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Just so you are aware, Trump DOESN'T believe the unborn child has a right to live in certain circumstances. He was upset about Alabama for what they recently did.

OMG, Trump believes in a middle ground position rather than a far right extremist one? Impeach!

Trump said that he thought the Alabama law went to far. He never said anything that I'm aware of suggesting that unborn babies should be aborted.

He said that mothers whose babies were created out of incest and rape should be able to abort their babies.

Within the context of the ongoing pro life/pro choice debate, let's not forget one of the most irresponsible claims Trump recently pronounced at one of his rallies:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-trump-repeats-falsely-doctors-mothers-decid/

 
Oh really? That explains why Mueller indicted him for it. Thanks for your revisionist history.
Read the report.

Mueller couldn't indict. He had to leave that to Barr. Who decided throw the investigation under the bus, and ignore the facts presented. The justice department under Barr has now become the politicized weapon of the Trump protection gang.
 
An insightful article in Salon entitled "How Republics Die".

I find it frustrating at times that some folks here, and in the nation at large, seem unable to recognize the degree to which Trump is attacking and undermining the foundations of our democratic republic.

It's clear that Mueller intended that Congress would examine and evaluate his report. It is also clear that the first branch of our central government, the Legislative branch, through our system of checks and balances, was granted the power of Congressional oversight over the Executive branch. Evaluating the Mueller report, particularly part 2, dealing with obstruction of justice, is part of that oversight.

Yet Trump is engaged in an effort to deny our Congress its constitutional right at oversight, by ignoring all House subpoenas, and telling all witnesses called to ignore requests for testimony, even if via subpoenas. Trump supporters seem fine with this. They wish to embrace AG Barr's "case closed" mantra as the last word.

An entire fake narrative is in the process of being invented, for the sole purpose of deligitimizing our intelligence community's reasons for investigating the extent and components of Russian interference in our elections. All while denying the right of Congress to exercise oversight. Trump supporters embrace this developing narrative, which is very naive given the likelihood that developing such an alternative narrative is exactly what one would expect someone who wants all these examinations of conduct to just go away, would in fact engage in.

I understand why Trump supporters would embrace his alternative narrative. Yet, Trump supporters don't seem to understand why people like myself see Trump's actions as an attack on the foundations of our republic. They do not understand the narrative I embrace, or why anyone would embrace it. They actually believe that Comey's FBI, which severely damaged Clinton's campaign, in public, and shortly before the election, was instead trying to derail Trump, even though Comey never divulged publically that the FBI was looking at members of the Trump campaign, prior to the election.

https://www.salon.com/2019/05/26/how-republics-die_partner/

"Into this moment in history comes Donald Trump, going after the walls and floors of our political house with a sledgehammer. Institutions that were treated with respect and even reverence are ridiculed as “weak” or “useless” by Trump; the hard-right billionaires cheer him on and keep writing checks to the GOP.

These are the symptoms of a republic in crisis.

  • Calling the press “the enemy of the people.”
  • Refusing to interact with Congress as the Constitution dictates.
  • Packing the courts with demonstrably unqualified ideologues.
  • Lying to the people on a daily basis.
  • Embracing autocrats while trashing traditional allies.
  • Breaking the law and flaunting a Nixon-era “guideline” from the DOJ saying that the president can’t be prosecuted, while he runs out the clock on the statute of limitations.
  • Bragging that he’s making money on the presidency and daring anybody to stop him.
  • Putting lobbyists in charge of public lands, our banking system, and our environment.
  • Embracing violent and hateful people and movements, both at home and abroad."
 
DOJ guidelines claim that a sitting president cannot he indicted. He must be impeached. Mueller didn’t tip the scales on whether he should be impeached and later indicted, he left that for congress to decide after they read the report. Have you read it? Over 900 prosecutors have, and they all have signed a petition that Trump should be impeached and indicted for crimes. Do you claim to know more than they?
Oh, so that's why they didn't indict his sons and others for collusion?
 
I'm pretty sure he was referring to this:


No, he was not referring to the Virginia governor, although he did make that claim during his state of the union address, regarding comments by the Va. governor. At the Wisconsin rally, he was referring to actions he said the Democratic governor of Wisconsin would take in vetoing a GOP backed bill before the Wisconsin legislature:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-abortion-baby-wrapped-blanket-execute-baby.html

"Trump went on to falsely characterize what he said an “extreme late abortion” would entail in horrifically graphic—and not to mention misleading—language. “Your Democrat governor here in Wisconsin, shockingly, stated that he will veto legislation that protects Wisconsin babies born alive. Born alive,” Trump said in a disapproving tone. “The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby.” Trump then put on an incredulous tone. “You hear late term, but this is where the baby is born, it’s there, it’s wrapped, that’s it,” Trump said as he made a guillotine motion with his hand, as if he were implying that the baby’s head would be sliced off."

See also:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ter-failed-abortion-fact-check-ap/1186702001/

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...s-can-execute-babies-after-they-are-born.html

His comments have been widely condemned on social media, largely for his use of the word 'execute' and for the facts being inaccurate. Laws in the US already protect newborn babies even if they survive an abortion.

Democratic Governor Roy Cooper, who also vetoed the bill, said all it did was "criminalise doctors for a practice that does not exist".
 
I wonder if his audiance at the time viewed it that way, or if they viewed it as literal truth?
Like anything else from a demagogue to his followers, a mix. Some will believe it was hyperbole the other way.
 
They also didn't indict them for calling people names.
Fascinating. But remember how the media was going crazy for two years about all of these Russia related indictments we were about to see? Every day they breathlessly told us about the newest bombshell and described each new moment, yet again, as the beginning of the end for Trump. And then the Mueller report comes out and what happens? No Russia related indictments for any Trump associates. Libs change their narrative entirely, and explain to us that no indictments should ever have been expected and that the moment the report came out was actually merely the end of the beginning. Will it ever end? No it won't. Not until Trump is gone. And if another conservative eventually takes his place the same sort of attack will be ramped up yet again.
 
Fascinating. But remember how the media was going crazy for two years about all of these Russia related indictments we were about to see?

There were dozens of Russia-related indictments.

Every day they breathlessly told us about the newest bombshell and described each new moment, yet again, as the beginning of the end for Trump.

No one I read or listened to regularly was talking about the end of Trump.

Will it ever end? No it won't. Not until Trump is gone. And if another conservative eventually takes his place the same sort of attack will be ramped up yet again.

Much like the constant attacks on Clinton and Obama.
 
There were dozens of Russia-related indictments.



No one I read or listened to regularly was talking about the end of Trump.



Much like the constant attacks on Clinton and Obama.

Lmao.

Really? No one you listened to has been saying the end of Trump? That is an outright lie.

Give me 10 main stream media people you have listened to. I will produce your lie.
 
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